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The Rivian is a truck you need, the Tesla is a truck you want. And the Revian will be road legal in Europe.

by thdrdt 7y ago

loceng 7y ago
Tesla could relatively rapidly release a comparable competitor if it becomes obvious they are losing a large market share for certain segment.
- cowsandmilk 7y ago
  I don’t see evidence for that. Tesla has yet to ship a vehicle that didn’t run into production delays.
  - qaq 7y ago
    Rivian has yet to ship a vehicle period.
    - loceng 7y ago
      Likewise Tesla is shipping vehicles from their China factory and Berlin factory construction is beginning.
- threeseed 7y ago
  Model Y is basically a clone of the Model 3 and it's still not out. You simply can't rapidly make a new car. Years at minimum.
  - loceng 7y ago
    Hence saying "relatively rapidly" - meanwhile other manufacturers are nowhere near creating a vehicle to compete with any Tesla vehicle; if wondering why they're 5+ years ahead of competitors in a dense overview, watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEELWPV8Yc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEELWPV8Yc
x3haloed 7y ago
I think it's actually quite the opposite. If you need a truck for its utility which one makes more sense? The Cybertruck is less expensive, has more range, bigger payload, higher towing capacity, access to the best charging network in the world. Why would you buy a Rivian instead? The only reason I can think of is that it looks more conventional. If you need a truck, you buy the Tesla. If you want a lifestyle truck that looks pretty, you buy the Rivian.
- DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
  I'm not convinced that the Cybertruck prices Tesla advertised during the unveiling were anything beyond promotional.
  - x3haloed 7y ago
    Okay fine. As long as we're not believing announcements, then Rivian’s prices are promotional too. And so are the specs. So this conversation is pointless.
    - DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
      Part of me wants to believe Elon et al. at Tesla has a soft-spot for Rivian and - yes - while the Cybertruck could crush Rivian - they want to see Rivian succeed because an EV monopoly over all vehicle classes might mean an own-goal for combating global climate change: competition is important, and the appearance of competition even more-so.
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        If Tesla's priority was combating global climate change then Tesla would open its chargers to all EVs. Other charging networks charge all EVs (including Tesla cars) whereas Tesla's charging network only charges Teslas. Tesla's lack of reciprocity is disappointing.
        jsight 7y ago
tooMuchCensor 7y ago
In automotive talk, Tesla is usually shit on for their unavoidable low quality cars. (Because new) Maybe in 10 years serious car buyers would consider a Tesla.
syshum 7y ago
The F150 is the truck I need, the Rivian is the Truck I want, the Cyber Truck is the truck I laugh at
- muzika 7y ago
  The F150 is the truck I need, the Rivian is the Truck I want, the Cyber Truck is the truck I will get :) :)

The Rivian is a truck you need, the Tesla is a truck you want. And the Revian will be road legal in Europe.

by thdrdt 7y ago

The Rivian is a truck you need, the Tesla is a truck you want. And the Revian will be road legal in Europe.

Tesla could relatively rapidly release a comparable competitor if it becomes obvious they are losing a large market share for certain segment.

cowsandmilk 7y ago
I don’t see evidence for that. Tesla has yet to ship a vehicle that didn’t run into production delays.
- qaq 7y ago
  Rivian has yet to ship a vehicle period.
  - loceng 7y ago
    Likewise Tesla is shipping vehicles from their China factory and Berlin factory construction is beginning.
threeseed 7y ago
Model Y is basically a clone of the Model 3 and it's still not out. You simply can't rapidly make a new car. Years at minimum.
- loceng 7y ago
  Hence saying "relatively rapidly" - meanwhile other manufacturers are nowhere near creating a vehicle to compete with any Tesla vehicle; if wondering why they're 5+ years ahead of competitors in a dense overview, watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEELWPV8Yc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEELWPV8Yc

x3haloed 7y ago

I think it's actually quite the opposite. If you need a truck for its utility which one makes more sense? The Cybertruck is less expensive, has more range, bigger payload, higher towing capacity, access to the best charging network in the world. Why would you buy a Rivian instead? The only reason I can think of is that it looks more conventional. If you need a truck, you buy the Tesla. If you want a lifestyle truck that looks pretty, you buy the Rivian.

DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
I'm not convinced that the Cybertruck prices Tesla advertised during the unveiling were anything beyond promotional.
- x3haloed 7y ago
  Okay fine. As long as we're not believing announcements, then Rivian’s prices are promotional too. And so are the specs. So this conversation is pointless.
  - DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
    Part of me wants to believe Elon et al. at Tesla has a soft-spot for Rivian and - yes - while the Cybertruck could crush Rivian - they want to see Rivian succeed because an EV monopoly over all vehicle classes might mean an own-goal for combating global climate change: competition is important, and the appearance of competition even more-so.
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      If Tesla's priority was combating global climate change then Tesla would open its chargers to all EVs. Other charging networks charge all EVs (including Tesla cars) whereas Tesla's charging network only charges Teslas. Tesla's lack of reciprocity is disappointing.
      - jsight 7y ago

tooMuchCensor 7y ago

In automotive talk, Tesla is usually shit on for their unavoidable low quality cars. (Because new) Maybe in 10 years serious car buyers would consider a Tesla.

syshum 7y ago

The F150 is the truck I need, the Rivian is the Truck I want, the Cyber Truck is the truck I laugh at

muzika 7y ago
The F150 is the truck I need, the Rivian is the Truck I want, the Cyber Truck is the truck I will get :) :)