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This assumes a certain (low) level of malicious intent. A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby or use even more exotic methods to exfiltrate data

This assumes a certain (low) level of malicious intent. A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby or use even more exotic methods to exfiltrate data.

gruez 7y ago
>A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby Connect to your own wifi and block any traffic?
- zingermc 7y ago
  You're still assuming it won't detect this and periodically phone home from an open network.
  - finneganscat 7y ago
    Where do you live that has open WiFi connections available from your home? Asking for a fiend.
- Nextgrid 7y ago
  If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is down? Even if they don't do this yet it's only a matter of time before the manufacturers catch on and start doing so.
  - gruez 7y ago
    In that case, the only hope you have is play the cat and mouse game and hope they give up before you do. Realistically though, they probably won't bother escalate past this point because the people who would go to such lengths are a tiny minority, and going after them don't make business sense. >If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is down? One idea to counter this would be to use something like this[1] to deauth the TV instantly, or spam a bunch of open networks so it gets stuck trying to connect to those rather than actually working ones. [1] https://github.com/spacehuhn/esp8266_deauther https://github.com/spacehuhn/esp8266_deauther
    - Nextgrid 7y ago
      The problem is that putting up with this doesn't actually send a message to the manufacturer that this is not OK, so they'll just keep doing this and perfecting their malware-like techniques until it's completely unblockable without some military-grade signal jamming equipment. Even if it can be blocked, I don't recommend anyone buy these and look for alternatives (commercial displays, old second-hand ones, https://ironcast.tv https://ironcast.tv, etc)

This assumes a certain (low) level of malicious intent. A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby or use even more exotic methods to exfiltrate data.

gruez 7y ago

>A fully malicious TV will connect to open WiFi nearby Connect to your own wifi and block any traffic?

zingermc 7y ago
You're still assuming it won't detect this and periodically phone home from an open network.
- finneganscat 7y ago
  Where do you live that has open WiFi connections available from your home? Asking for a fiend.
Nextgrid 7y ago
If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is down? Even if they don't do this yet it's only a matter of time before the manufacturers catch on and start doing so.
- gruez 7y ago
  In that case, the only hope you have is play the cat and mouse game and hope they give up before you do. Realistically though, they probably won't bother escalate past this point because the people who would go to such lengths are a tiny minority, and going after them don't make business sense. >If you've got logic to connect to nearby open Wi-Fi, why wouldn't you also use it as a fallback if the primary Wi-Fi is down? One idea to counter this would be to use something like this[1] to deauth the TV instantly, or spam a bunch of open networks so it gets stuck trying to connect to those rather than actually working ones. [1] https://github.com/spacehuhn/esp8266_deauther https://github.com/spacehuhn/esp8266_deauther
  - Nextgrid 7y ago
    The problem is that putting up with this doesn't actually send a message to the manufacturer that this is not OK, so they'll just keep doing this and perfecting their malware-like techniques until it's completely unblockable without some military-grade signal jamming equipment. Even if it can be blocked, I don't recommend anyone buy these and look for alternatives (commercial displays, old second-hand ones, https://ironcast.tv https://ironcast.tv, etc)