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Sadly none of those are alternatives if you don’t have a say in what your workplace uses.

by KMnO4 7y ago

gruez 7y ago
If that's the case: https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ (native slack client) https://www.irccloud.com/ https://www.irccloud.com/ (cloud irc client, they have slack integration if you pay for premium)
- SaltyBackendGuy 7y ago
  I tried to use ripcord for about a month. There were several features that I really liked (for example - tabs are amazing imo). The deal breaker ultimately was that I didn't receive all of my notifications which was a problem for work. But I would love to try it again if they solve that problem. Edit: The hotkeys and the lightweight feel to it was also amazing BTW.
  - tumult 7y ago
    Do you have a way to reproduce it, even unreliably? Or any other info? If so, could you email me cancel@cancel.fm ? The Slack server determines most notifications that the client is supposed to display -- the logic all runs on the server, and is sent as explicit events to the client. So, the only way that Ripcord would be losing notifications for standard chat messages is if the server did not send the notification events, or the connection went down for several minutes and had to be restarted without an event replay. But if you have any lead on a way to show that notifications aren't being displayed, that would be really useful information. I've heard of some people using Ripcord on Windows 10 having some kind of automatic suppression of notifications occur at the the OS level. Probably some automated anti-user-spam thing. In which case, the notifications would only be listed internally within Ripcord, but not in the OS notifications list. Is that the case, or were they also not visible within Ripcord's own notifications list? (This one isn't relevant if you're using Mac or Linux.)
    - katmannthree 7y ago
      Is there a way you could enable touch events for scrolling the chat history? I'm using a Surface and trying to touch scroll just selects messages. Other than that my first impressions are pretty good.
      - tumult 7y ago
        I'm actually not sure why this isn't working for a Surface running Windows. I would have assumed that it would emulate mousewheel events. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/wintouch/windows-touch-gestures-overview#interpreting-windows-touch-gestures https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/wintouch/wind... I'm guessing this is what needs to be handled. I wonder if Qt is already interacting with this system, and I'm handling it improperly on Win32. Does scrolling with touch gestures work for you in other types of scrollable views, such as the sidebar, or the workspace files list?
        katmannthree 7y ago
        It seems to be an issue with Qt, I just checked a bunch of the example applications and none of them allow touch-based scrolling. There's also this, an open 5 year old bug report. https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40461 https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40461
        tumult 7y ago
        OK. I will see if I can find a way to emulate a touch device like this one on Windows for testing. I can pre-empt Qt's input system for these types of events and handle them manually in Ripcord's own application code.
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        Seconding, please do. I'm a paying Ripcord user working on a Dell 2-in-1 (essentially a Surface clone with a better price tag), and I miss proper touch (and pen) handling too - to the point that I started looking into fixing this on my own with AutoHotkey (I'm thinking of an always-on-top semi-transparent area I could touch / pen over, which would translate this into appropriate mouse events to send to Ripcord to make it scroll). But it would be vastly better if I didn't need to do this :). Oh, and since I have you here: would it be possible for you to look into the group DM handling? We run plenty of group DMs at work, and I have two problems with them: one, they tend to randomly disappear from the sidebar, and two, there seems to be no way to start a group DM from Ripcord. Also, again, thank you for your hard work.
  - Cthulhu_ 7y ago
    For me the dealbreaker was the visuals; I've been spoiled by years of good looking webapps or native (ios, macos) ones. You can't get away with making a chat client look like 90's IRC clients anymore, imo.
    - ubercow13 7y ago
      Many people prefer that. Slack is a total eyesore, IMO.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      Personally, I like it this way. I like my apps how Tufte like his charts: information-dense, free of chartjunk.
- cerberusss 7y ago
  Great tip, thanks!

Sadly none of those are alternatives if you don’t have a say in what your workplace uses.

by KMnO4 7y ago

Sadly none of those are alternatives if you don’t have a say in what your workplace uses.

If that's the case: https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ (native slack client) https://www.irccloud.com/ https://www.irccloud.com/ (cloud irc client, they have slack integration if you pay for premium)

SaltyBackendGuy 7y ago
I tried to use ripcord for about a month. There were several features that I really liked (for example - tabs are amazing imo). The deal breaker ultimately was that I didn't receive all of my notifications which was a problem for work. But I would love to try it again if they solve that problem. Edit: The hotkeys and the lightweight feel to it was also amazing BTW.
- tumult 7y ago
  Do you have a way to reproduce it, even unreliably? Or any other info? If so, could you email me cancel@cancel.fm ? The Slack server determines most notifications that the client is supposed to display -- the logic all runs on the server, and is sent as explicit events to the client. So, the only way that Ripcord would be losing notifications for standard chat messages is if the server did not send the notification events, or the connection went down for several minutes and had to be restarted without an event replay. But if you have any lead on a way to show that notifications aren't being displayed, that would be really useful information. I've heard of some people using Ripcord on Windows 10 having some kind of automatic suppression of notifications occur at the the OS level. Probably some automated anti-user-spam thing. In which case, the notifications would only be listed internally within Ripcord, but not in the OS notifications list. Is that the case, or were they also not visible within Ripcord's own notifications list? (This one isn't relevant if you're using Mac or Linux.)
  - katmannthree 7y ago
    Is there a way you could enable touch events for scrolling the chat history? I'm using a Surface and trying to touch scroll just selects messages. Other than that my first impressions are pretty good.
    - tumult 7y ago
      I'm actually not sure why this isn't working for a Surface running Windows. I would have assumed that it would emulate mousewheel events. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/wintouch/windows-touch-gestures-overview#interpreting-windows-touch-gestures https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/wintouch/wind... I'm guessing this is what needs to be handled. I wonder if Qt is already interacting with this system, and I'm handling it improperly on Win32. Does scrolling with touch gestures work for you in other types of scrollable views, such as the sidebar, or the workspace files list?
      - katmannthree 7y ago
        It seems to be an issue with Qt, I just checked a bunch of the example applications and none of them allow touch-based scrolling. There's also this, an open 5 year old bug report. https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40461 https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40461
        tumult 7y ago
        OK. I will see if I can find a way to emulate a touch device like this one on Windows for testing. I can pre-empt Qt's input system for these types of events and handle them manually in Ripcord's own application code.
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        Seconding, please do. I'm a paying Ripcord user working on a Dell 2-in-1 (essentially a Surface clone with a better price tag), and I miss proper touch (and pen) handling too - to the point that I started looking into fixing this on my own with AutoHotkey (I'm thinking of an always-on-top semi-transparent area I could touch / pen over, which would translate this into appropriate mouse events to send to Ripcord to make it scroll). But it would be vastly better if I didn't need to do this :). Oh, and since I have you here: would it be possible for you to look into the group DM handling? We run plenty of group DMs at work, and I have two problems with them: one, they tend to randomly disappear from the sidebar, and two, there seems to be no way to start a group DM from Ripcord. Also, again, thank you for your hard work.
- Cthulhu_ 7y ago
  For me the dealbreaker was the visuals; I've been spoiled by years of good looking webapps or native (ios, macos) ones. You can't get away with making a chat client look like 90's IRC clients anymore, imo.
  - ubercow13 7y ago
    Many people prefer that. Slack is a total eyesore, IMO.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Personally, I like it this way. I like my apps how Tufte like his charts: information-dense, free of chartjunk.
cerberusss 7y ago
Great tip, thanks!