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Linux doesn't have Photoshop
- sfc32 7y agoHats off for developing such an amazing tool. The question not asked is "Why create another image editing tool on Linux?". When 'competing' with a gorilla like Photoshop, perhaps extending / rewriting Gimp would be a more effective way to produce a high quality tool, instead of fracturing the community. Not a criticism of the efforts, just the focus. It would be really great to have a FOSS alternative to the increasingly expensive and locking-in Adobe suite.
- errantspark 7y agoHonestly because this person is incorrect in their supposition that Krita competes with Photoshop. Gimp competes with Photoshop (extremely poorly), Krita is OSS Corel Painter and it's great at that. They're all image editing tools sure, but the focus is different.
- hellozee 7y agoI never said Krita is competing with Photoshop, I just compared them, take a look at the last rant :D
- grawprog 7y agoJust curious, because i've never really understood, I see this a lot without much explanation. I've used gimp for years for various image and photo things and haven't used Photoshop since the mid 2000's, what's so bad about gimp in comparison, other than the ui(which to me seems much the same as old versions of photoshop), to Photoshop?
- hellozee 7y agoNo non destructive editing available is one of the biggest drawbacks
- imglorp 7y agoIsn't that what layers are for?
- hellozee 7y agoTake an example you scaled down and 1000x1000px image to 100x100px and then scaled it up back to 1000x1000px. In the process you lost a lot of info on the image. PS solves that by using Smart Objects, Krita by Transform Masks, GIMP? Nope
- cannedslime 7y agoTo be fair, photoshop didnt always do this. I still use CS2 and it definetely doesn't work like you describe. I'd say that GIMP is somewhat comparable to the feature set of CS2, though I admit I havent used gimp much.
- hellozee 7y agoSmart Objects were introduced in CS2, so no, :)
- cannedslime 7y ago
- hellozee 7y agoKrita started as an image editing tool, but now it is tool which you you would use for creating stuff from scratch, and not mainly for editing Photos or manipulating images, :D
- thrower123 7y agoIf Gimp wasn't completely terrible, despite the decades of work that's been put into it, I'd give that some weight. But it's just not good, and it's not going to be. Better to start over than keep throwing good money after bad.
- prox 7y agoI tried Gimp but from an UX Perspective it is just a horrible mess. Its ways are so idiosyncratic its unbelievable. Power to those who use it, but it is hardly surprising that it never gained traction in the graphics industry. Affinity Photo is the first true contender; It optimizes for reliable and recognizable workflow, and the devs are committing to keeping it lean. I wish there was an foss alternative, but there isn’t. I would love to see an app build around image editing like Blender is doing for 3d.
- trynewideas 7y agoI'd love to see Blender build around its own image editing the way Blender is doing for 3D.
- 0x8BADF00D 7y agoLinux is a mainframe emulator, it will never be a user-friendly OS. It has spinlocks.
- hellozee 7y agoLinux is the Kernel, muahahahaha
- thombat 7y agoSince Windows has spinlocks too (for judicious use in driver code) does that make it non-user-friendly too? Or am I missing the point you're making?
- MuffinFlavored 7y agoWhat OS doesn't have spinlocks?
- tssva 7y agoAn OS which targets uniprocessor systems. MS-DOS for example.
- waynecochran 7y agoHow many are going to take this bait? Fish on!
- dang 7y agoCan you please stop trolling, or posting comments that are indistinguishable from trolling? Between this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21877139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21877139, it's pretty bad. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- 0x8BADF00D 7y agoI wasn’t trying to troll, I think those are legitimate comments. First one was questioning style and fashion norms, this one is questioning why spinlocks are necessary on a user developer friendly OS.
- rolltiide 7y agoNice post about Krita Anyway it would be nice if Linux had Photoshop, why haven’t they done this sometime over the last two decades when people first noticed
- hellozee 7y agoPorting to linux isn't worth it. Cause most of the people who would switch are existing customers. And with the CC model it is never going to happen
- rolltiide 7y agoYes the same reason for the past two decades If anyone from Adobe is reading this, I would use CC with subscription on linux and advocate for licenses in my whole office if it was an option Cheers
- hellozee 7y agoYou didn't get it right? Most of the customers who would switch are already using CC on Mac or Windows so why add the costs of maintenance and support for another platform. Aside from that, their code base is somewhat quirky, which would definitely increase the cost of porting
- rolltiide 7y agoI understood what you said exactly and thats why I also added the part where new licenses would also happen as a single customer datapoint accessing many organizations over my career. The more datapoints for them the better. I look forward to the day when Krita or GIMP’s sole purpose for existing isn't Adobe dug their own hole.
- hellozee 7y agoOhh my bad
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- kube-system 7y ago> Krita has all the bases covered, you only need to add these things and I can ditch GIMP/Photoshop. > The feature you are requesting is probably for Photo editing or manipulating images that are currently not in our focus. Looks like the author answered their own question as to why some people still aren't happy with the available options. After all, photo editing is what Photoshop was designed to do.
- hellozee 7y agoYou got to be judicious with limited resources, :)
- jdjdjjsjs 7y agoIt doesn't appear this app is trying to be a straight up Photoshop replacement. If that's what people are looking for they can go to GIMP. So I don't see how that answer specifically indicates why people would be unhappy with the situation on Linux.
- cthalupa 7y ago>It doesn't appear this app is trying to be a straight up Photoshop replacement. It isn't. It's an illustration tool. Which is why this article is kind of weird: An (excellent! I love krita!) adjacent tool exists, so why do people want the tool that fills a different purpose?
- Finnucane 7y agoLinux doesn’t really have a good alternative to InDesign. For photo editing I find that Darktable & Gimp serve me well enough. Fortunately, I don’t need to worry about CMYK any more.
- hellozee 7y agoScribus?
- faceplanted 7y agoNoob question, why is CMYK editing different from any other kind of editing? You can convert rgb to CMYK, every printer does it, so what's actually missing?
- wtracy 7y agoNot a color expert, but every color encoding scheme is going to have a slightly different gamut. Meaning, CMYK can encode colors that RGB can't, and vice-versa.
- zozbot234 7y agoNegative color values can be used to cleanly represent colors outside the standard gamut. But I'm not sure that CMYK even has anything like a standard gamut associated with it - so the details of that "conversion" might depend on what the CMYK data is for.
- omnimus 7y agoWell you want to see what you are doing. RGB shows more colors than you can print. Theoreticaly when if you have cmyk profile from your printer and calibrated monitor you should see somehow accurate representation of how will things get printed.
- erikbye 7y agoTried Scribus?
- Animats 7y agoFrom the article: "Yes, all of us know the text tool (in Krita) is horrible but at least it is a bit better than the last one which was just pure shit." Pinta also has a terrible text tool. It's so bad that sometimes the font selector disappears and you can't get it back. Generic problem with Linux image editors? I'd settle for something on Linux that works as well as Photoshop Elements from ten years ago.
- bscphil 7y agoGIMP is just astoundingly bad in this area as well. The hinting is bad looking enough that you have to disable it, and when you enable anti-aliasing (required for decent looking fonts) it enables sub-pixel anti-aliasing too, which already doesn't make much sense since the results are so completely different on different LCD screens, but it's implemented in a retina-searingly bad fashion. I don't know why they don't just use the standard FreeType rendering, which looks fine on my system. So to get decent looking fonts in GIMP, I have to do this: 1. Render the fonts into a layer with 3x the final resolution, hinting disabled, and anti-aliasing enabled. 2. Use the desaturation filter to get rid of the terrible colorful pixels created by the anti-aliasing. 3. Scale the layer back down 3x to the final size I wanted. The fact that this works proves there's no inherent reason why GIMP couldn't have good font rendering, but it's been a mess for as long as I can remember.
- bscphil 7y agoOne additional note that seemed important in case anyone reads this: I just tested GIMP's font rendering on macOS and it's completely different than on Linux. There's no "colorful" sub pixel rendering, and the results seem blurrier to me at the same font size, although the latter might be because this is on a high DPI screen with scaling. So consider the above to only apply to the Linux version of GIMP.
- bluedino 7y agoWhat are the odds of a small team bringing a product like Pixelmator to the Mac?
- hellozee 7y agoI dont think you can call this team[1] small, compared to Krita, :) [1]https://www.pixelmator.com/team/ https://www.pixelmator.com/team/
- paulcarroty 7y agohttps://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=37541 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... Hard to say how many percents working, but basics can be used without issues.
- fbnlsr 7y agoThis has been my only argument for years for not switching to Linux. I've realized I haven't used Photoshop in more than two years now. I either work on projects where the designers provide me with already cut and ready to use props, or I work with people using Figma. My only argument now is that my Macbook is still working and I don't "have" to spend 2k on a Thinkpad. :)
- twic 7y agoI run Fedora on a 2011 MacBook Pro. There was a bit of messing around to get graphics working, and sometimes the trackpad driver crashes, but other than that, it works perfectly.
- cairo_x 7y agoSweet jesus, don't get a thinkpad after having used a macbook. They are built of soft, grease-absorbing cheap plastic. People say 'oh, but thinkpads are so rebuildable'. Yeah. Because they degrade easily and are made of such cheap materials, they have to be. I bought a second hand dell laptop. Five years later bought a brand new thinkpad. Which do you think had to be repaired, and even with new parts still looks more worn out?
- robertoandred 7y agoYou’re downvoted but you’re right. The trackpad is garbage, the overall build is garbage, screens are weird resolutions...
- fbnlsr 7y agoYou're the first one to tell me not to get a Thinkpad. I've heard nothing but great things about them.
- hellozee 7y agoThe newer thinkpads are meh, compared to what the older ones were
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- bilal4hmed 7y agoper the post, Krita has 5 paid developers and if you look at the front page, for the month of december they have received donations of about $2500. If donations are the major source of funding, they are severely underfunded. If some of us have budgets that allow for it, might not be a bad idea to send some money their way.
- pkaye 7y agoI think recently Krita got a Epic Games Mega Grant of $25k. https://krita.org/en/item/krita-receives-epic-megagrant/ https://krita.org/en/item/krita-receives-epic-megagrant/
- newnewpdro 7y ago> The text tool is horrible, how could you even ship it? I haven't tried Krita yet, but recently had to do some text compositions in GIMP 2.8.18 (Debian 9.11) and the UX was absolutely awful. I don't remember GIMP's text tool driving me insane when I last did such things a decade or longer ago, but the on-canvas widget in 2.8.18 is quite bad.
- zozbot234 7y agoDebian 9.11 is out of date and will soon be unsupported altogether. You should upgrade to Debian 10 (currently at 10.2) which comes with an up-to-date version of GIMP. If you can't do a wholesale upgrade for some reason, use the official backports channel to install an updated version of GIMP.
- a1369209993 7y agoFWIW, GIMP 2.6's text tool is solidly mediocre. I stopped updating because 2.8 broke Ctrl-S (vocally on purpose), so it wouldn't surprise me if they also ruined text compositions. Contra zozbot234, it is very unlikely upgrading to Debian 10 will improve anything.
- knolan 7y agoIn some ways Photoshop is losing relevance in the creative space. Adobe’s rent seeking has pissed off a lot of people and upstarts like Krita, DaVinci Resolve and Serif are making waves. Affinity Photo and Designer offer strong Photoshop and Illustrator alternatives on MacOS, Windows and even iPadOS (no plans for a Linux version however) when Adobe seem to struggle to get a half baked version of Photoshop on iPadOS. All this competition is great. We’re seeing new performant software run rings around the lumbering giants. I’m a huge fan of blender. It boggles my mind how small a footprint it has compared to other 3D applications.
- omnimus 7y agoIts really a shame Affinity products are not on linux. I know lot of people who would ditch osx if there was decent typesetting software on linux.
- prepend 7y agoPhotoshop still doesn’t work on Catalina, after three months of release and many months of early dev release. I hope someone is able to replace them for photo processing.
- mattl 7y agoI remember Steve Jobs trying to convince developers to make a Photoshop for Rhapsody because Adobe hasn’t signed on to make it.
- wartron 7y ago> If anyone else has this issue that states: "the installer was damaged and may need to be downloaded again" I got around this by right clicking the installer and showing package contents > contents > MacOS and clicking on the install file found there Have you tried this? I have CC 2019 installed on Catalina.
- prepend 7y agoI’m dealing with the workarounds and have it running. But what I find interesting is that photoshop is one of the biggest software packages and they are out OA sync with Apple.
- akersten 7y ago> I started using Photoshop when I was in High School and obviously it was a ——- copy. I can only assume the censored portion read "pirated." Is the author concerned they would be admitting to a crime had they left it in? I'm not sure there are any other interpretations to "obviously it was a [...] copy" either, so I don't see why they bothered. Probably should have left that out entirely if they were worried.
- mark-r 7y agoThere's no good way to "nudge nudge, wink wink" in a text medium. I thought the chosen technique was perfectly fine, it got the idea across without leaving anything legally actionable. Adobe has in the past had a bit of tolerance for under-the-table copies. If you get hooked on PS at an early age there's a good chance you'll insist on it when you reach a position with a budget.
- matthewhartmans 7y agoCheck out Photopea: https://www.photopea.com https://www.photopea.com Complete replica of Photoshop in the browser.
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- Grakel 7y agoIt's amazingly powerful. I have my students use it instead of dealing with Adobe.
- danShumway 7y ago> The feature you are requesting is probably for Photo editing or manipulating images that are currently not in our focus. And if Krita was Photoshop, I wouldn't use it for illustration. I don't want a photo manipulation tool, I want a painting program. Sure Photoshop can do all the fancy brush stuff, it can have fancy blend modes and stuff, but the primary interface isn't designed with that in mind. It's a manipulation tool. Using it for illustration is using a very broad "jack-of-all-trades" program for something very focused, and that broad toolset honestly kind of gets in the way. I'm invested in Krita's future now, but if I wasn't I certainly wouldn't be moving back to Photoshop. I need a tool that's specifically designed for drawing. Pre-CC Photoshop had reasonably decent Wine support, but I've never been tempted to load up an old copy for drawing. To the extent that Krita is trying to replace anything, the problem that Krita is attempting to solve is that Linux doesn't have Clip Studio.
- hirundo 7y ago> If still after applying the suggestions it does not work, it is just a bad tablet manufacturer. Krita adheres to the standard APIs provided by the Operating System. Unfortunately, your tablet manufacturer is a stupid one Same here, if my software breaks it must be the stupid hardware.
- Semiapies 7y agoAnd pretty much every other point in this article is that any users who find the program insufficient are stupid, unpleasable assholes who should fix it themselves if they care so damn much.
- hellozee 7y agoI never told them to fix it, they can file a bug report which would help, if Krita seg faults then there is dialog which does that for you, :)
- saurik 7y agoI have long felt that if Adobe were to take their already-very-cross-platform (even afaik using a custom toolkit) tool suite and port it to Linux, they could own Linux: they should create an Adobe Linux distribution and bless a single toolkit and then I think you would suddenly see people actually feeling like they could both use it professionally and developers actually feeling like they could target it effectively without worry of fragmentation (which I am not saying is a horrible thing or anything--it is even a strength in some sense--but there is a reason why the Android ecosystem, even with all of its notorious fragmentation--feels much easier to target for games and GUI applications than "Linux", despite being Linux). The main thing that would have made this effort maybe useless before was the lack of a word processor and a spreadsheet in their application lineup, but a lot of the world has already moved on from Word and Excel to web-hosted solutions--whether from Google or from Microsoft--and so the main barriers left are these "not really likely to become web any time soon" (due to the amount of data involved) tools like Photoshop and Premier and Audition. Hell: if they partner with Valve/Steam--who is making great strides on Linux for games recently--they could quite possibly destroy Windows as a pro-user market.
- jkrltifk 7y agoAdobe actually did extensive market study regarding a PS Linux port. The conclusion was that there is basically zero demand for a PAID Photoshop. People do want PS on Linux,but they want a FREE version (sudo apt-get install photoshop)
- chadlavi 7y agoOr more importantly, product design tools. Sketch is the main reason I use a Mac.
- Paianni 7y agoLinux doesn't need Photoshop, it needs a GIMP on steroids.
- michaelbrave 7y agoWeb based alternatives might eat Adobe's lunch here. Figma is gaining steam and the collaboration feature might be enough to win, photopea does about 80% of what I want photoshop to do (excepting especially large projects). The only real holdup is video editing since it takes quite a bit of resources.
- hellozee 7y agoFigma is good, but Photopea is ... well, not bad but something feels missing from it.
- 6d65 7y agoFunny thing is that I wanted to buy the Affinity Suite a couple of weeks ago on black Friday sale, and gave up after finding out that it works poorly via Wine. Learned to do basic stuff with Gimp instead. So far Gimp works well for my needs, it's slow, buggy, but still can work with it. Might configure a Windows VM with kvm passthrough if I desperately needed. Also web tools like figma look very interesting.
- AstralStorm 7y agoLinux doesn't have Illustrator either and that's a bigger problem most of the time. Inkscape and Krita aren't there yet. Photoshop is rather optimized for modifying pictures rather than drawing, but a lot of people I know in drawing are actually using Illustrator instead... Scribus is also still rather weak compared to InDesign. (And no, you won't convert the world to LaTeX with LyX. Too complex.)
- anta40 7y agoI kinda miss Photoshop. Well, I'm a big fan of black and white photography. One of the plugins I rely on is Silver Efex: https://nikcollection.dxo.com/silver-efex-pro/ https://nikcollection.dxo.com/silver-efex-pro/ I still don't found the equivalent for GIMP. Probably the closes thing is G'MIC: https://gmic.eu/ https://gmic.eu/