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You can disable this feature, but of course you have to trust the manufacturer that it’s actually disabled. And if the manufacturer were trustworthy, they would

by egdod 7y ago

You can disable this feature, but of course you have to trust the manufacturer that it’s actually disabled. And if the manufacturer were trustworthy, they wouldn’t be doing things like this to begin with.

blackhaz 7y ago
We need something to firewall the Internets from our too-smart house stuff! Something like an inverse firewall. A waterwall.
- JadeNB 7y ago
  Blocking unwanted egress is already accepted as possibly part of the functionality of a firewall (see, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egress_filtering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egress_filtering ); there's nothing inherently 'reverse' about it. Indeed, note the symmetry in Wikipedia's definition of a firewall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(computing) ): > In computing, a firewall is a network security system that monitors and controls incoming and outgoing network traffic based on predetermined security rules. A firewall typically establishes a barrier between a trusted internal network and untrusted external network, such as the Internet.
  - blackhaz 7y ago
    I was trying to joke here. The untrusted network in our case is the internal network. In that sense.
    - JadeNB 7y ago
      > I was trying to joke here. The untrusted network in our case is the internal network. In that sense. Sure, and I'm sorry to miss the joke; but I think that it's nothing new that the internal network is untrusted. Before one ever had connected and untrusted smart appliances, one still had untrusted software running on one's general-purpose computer, and it was (and remains) often desireable to fence off that software from the outside world. Little Snitch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Snitch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Snitch), for example, was designed around exactly that idea.
- egdod 7y ago
  How is your firewall going to know the difference between uploading screen shots vs. communicating with a streaming service?

by egdod 7y ago

blackhaz 7y ago

We need something to firewall the Internets from our too-smart house stuff! Something like an inverse firewall. A waterwall.

JadeNB 7y ago
Blocking unwanted egress is already accepted as possibly part of the functionality of a firewall (see, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egress_filtering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egress_filtering ); there's nothing inherently 'reverse' about it. Indeed, note the symmetry in Wikipedia's definition of a firewall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(computing) ): > In computing, a firewall is a network security system that monitors and controls incoming and outgoing network traffic based on predetermined security rules. A firewall typically establishes a barrier between a trusted internal network and untrusted external network, such as the Internet.
- blackhaz 7y ago
  I was trying to joke here. The untrusted network in our case is the internal network. In that sense.
  - JadeNB 7y ago
    > I was trying to joke here. The untrusted network in our case is the internal network. In that sense. Sure, and I'm sorry to miss the joke; but I think that it's nothing new that the internal network is untrusted. Before one ever had connected and untrusted smart appliances, one still had untrusted software running on one's general-purpose computer, and it was (and remains) often desireable to fence off that software from the outside world. Little Snitch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Snitch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Snitch), for example, was designed around exactly that idea.
egdod 7y ago
How is your firewall going to know the difference between uploading screen shots vs. communicating with a streaming service?