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Reading any article like this, it's worth bearing in mind that bushfires are a natural seasonal phenomenon in Australia, and both flora and fauna are adapted to

Reading any article like this, it's worth bearing in mind that bushfires are a natural seasonal phenomenon in Australia, and both flora and fauna are adapted to them. There are even some Australian plants that reproduce only after fires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophyte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophyte The worrisome thing this time around, though, is the accompanying drought. Droughts too are a fact of life in the world's driest continent, but if this is now the "new normal" due to climate change, the land will not be able to recover.

adamnemecek 7y ago
Not on this scale. It's kinda like saying anthrax is natural.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  Truth be told, anthrax is natural.
  - adamnemecek 7y ago
    That's the point.
gonzo41 7y ago
Have a look at this. The scale is different from a regular wildfire. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2019/dec/07/how-big-are-the-fires-burning-on-the-east-coast-of-australia-interactive-map https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...?
- akerro 7y ago
  Damn, this map is really scary https://i.imgur.com/t1ls7wG.png https://i.imgur.com/t1ls7wG.png
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
  Yes, I'm aware of that, but locally it doesn't make much of a difference how big the fire is. Australian plants are built to survive bushfires and assuming there's water -- which is the big if I called out earlier -- they'll regrow. Put enough way: the bushfires, in and of themselves, are not the problem. The underlying drought caused by climate change is.
- gerspip 7y ago
  The scale of sensationalistic nonsense from The Guardian is not though. https://imgur.com/a/sYEO7SE https://imgur.com/a/sYEO7SE
- deleted 7y ago
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- cmroanirgo 7y ago
  This is not accurate. This is the current state of fires in nsw: https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me There are fires in other states too.
missosoup 7y ago
Read this the below link[1]. Which is a personal account of what's happening and 100% aligned with what I've seen while driving in the outback. People are leaving. The land is no longer habitable to human or animal life. Trying to write off the last 3 years as 'seasonal phenomena' is fucking insane. Significant chunk of brumby population died[2] no one's ever seen this before. Wildlife is unable to reproduce because of the heat and drought[3] The total wildlife death toll is estimated at 500m for this year alone[4] None of this is precedented. None of this is part of the 'natural cycle'. This continent is experiencing a mass extinction event and the only reason it's not all over the news is because all of the news outlets are owned by Murdoch the coal mogul who probably understands climate change but will continue funding the public denial of it just because it makes a buck. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ecaqu4/australia_registers_hottest_day_in_recorded/fbaci2b/ https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ecaqu4/australia... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-23/mass-brumby-death-discovered-in-remote-central-australia/10739178 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-23/mass-brumby-death-dis... [3] https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cattle-have-stopped-breeding-koalas-die-of-thirst-a-vet-s-hellish-diary-of-climate-change-20191220-p53m03.html https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cattle-hav... [4] https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/australian-bushfires-new-south-wales-koalas-sydney-a4322071.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/australian-bushfires-n...
- gerspip 7y ago
  > This continent is experiencing a mass extinction event and the only reason it's not all over the news is because all of the news outlets are owned by Murdoch the coal mogul who probably understands climate change but will continue funding the public denial of it just because it makes a buck. and this is where you lost that miniscule credibility you had, ideologues is exactly what the environmental issues DON'T need.
  - missosoup 7y ago
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/01/24/comments-climate-change-denial-murdoch-news-corp/ https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/01/24/comments-climate-change... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/13/a-national-disgrace-australias-extinction-crisis-is-unfolding-in-plain-sight https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/13/a-nation... https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/science/biodiversity/whats-happening-to-australias-biodiversity/ https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/science/biodiversity/w... Please. Point out which part of what I said is false or 'ideologue'. And maybe not from a brand new alt account at -3 karma.

adamnemecek 7y ago

Not on this scale. It's kinda like saying anthrax is natural.

BurningFrog 7y ago
Truth be told, anthrax is natural.
- adamnemecek 7y ago
  That's the point.

gonzo41 7y ago

Have a look at this. The scale is different from a regular wildfire. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2019/dec/07/how-big-are-the-fires-burning-on-the-east-coast-of-australia-interactive-map https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...?

akerro 7y ago
Damn, this map is really scary https://i.imgur.com/t1ls7wG.png https://i.imgur.com/t1ls7wG.png
9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
Yes, I'm aware of that, but locally it doesn't make much of a difference how big the fire is. Australian plants are built to survive bushfires and assuming there's water -- which is the big if I called out earlier -- they'll regrow. Put enough way: the bushfires, in and of themselves, are not the problem. The underlying drought caused by climate change is.
gerspip 7y ago
The scale of sensationalistic nonsense from The Guardian is not though. https://imgur.com/a/sYEO7SE https://imgur.com/a/sYEO7SE
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cmroanirgo 7y ago
This is not accurate. This is the current state of fires in nsw: https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me There are fires in other states too.

missosoup 7y ago

Read this the below link[1]. Which is a personal account of what's happening and 100% aligned with what I've seen while driving in the outback. People are leaving. The land is no longer habitable to human or animal life. Trying to write off the last 3 years as 'seasonal phenomena' is fucking insane. Significant chunk of brumby population died[2] no one's ever seen this before. Wildlife is unable to reproduce because of the heat and drought[3] The total wildlife death toll is estimated at 500m for this year alone[4] None of this is precedented. None of this is part of the 'natural cycle'. This continent is experiencing a mass extinction event and the only reason it's not all over the news is because all of the news outlets are owned by Murdoch the coal mogul who probably understands climate change but will continue funding the public denial of it just because it makes a buck. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ecaqu4/australia_registers_hottest_day_in_recorded/fbaci2b/ https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ecaqu4/australia... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-23/mass-brumby-death-discovered-in-remote-central-australia/10739178 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-23/mass-brumby-death-dis... [3] https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cattle-have-stopped-breeding-koalas-die-of-thirst-a-vet-s-hellish-diary-of-climate-change-20191220-p53m03.html https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cattle-hav... [4] https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/australian-bushfires-new-south-wales-koalas-sydney-a4322071.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/australian-bushfires-n...

gerspip 7y ago
> This continent is experiencing a mass extinction event and the only reason it's not all over the news is because all of the news outlets are owned by Murdoch the coal mogul who probably understands climate change but will continue funding the public denial of it just because it makes a buck. and this is where you lost that miniscule credibility you had, ideologues is exactly what the environmental issues DON'T need.
- missosoup 7y ago
  https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/01/24/comments-climate-change-denial-murdoch-news-corp/ https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/01/24/comments-climate-change... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/13/a-national-disgrace-australias-extinction-crisis-is-unfolding-in-plain-sight https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/13/a-nation... https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/science/biodiversity/whats-happening-to-australias-biodiversity/ https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/science/biodiversity/w... Please. Point out which part of what I said is false or 'ideologue'. And maybe not from a brand new alt account at -3 karma.