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For Asian regional news in English I'd recommend Southern China Morning Post. It's based out of Hong Kong and still independent from the CCP's grasp (for now).

by pbk1 7y ago

_-___________-_ 7y ago
Here in HK, SCMP is generally not believed to be independent of the party. SCMP is owned by Alibaba Group, one of the largest companies in mainland China. Do you really think it's possible for Alibaba to have _any_ part of it that's outside of the CCP's grasp?
nkurz 7y ago
A link might help: https://www.scmp.com https://www.scmp.com I often stumble across their articles, and often they are quite good. I'd be interested to hear more about their politics and biases so I know better how interpret their coverage. Is there a Western source they would be considered to be aligned with, or are they unique?
muzani 7y ago
SCMP is my favourite news site by far. It's probably the only one I would pay for regularly, if I paid for news, and I'm surprised it doesn't appear more on HN.
elfexec 7y ago
SCMP was created by "western" anti-chinese propagandists. "The journal was founded by Australian-born anti-Qing dynasty revolutionary Tse Tsan-tai and British journalist Alfred Cunningham" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post It's strange you think it is something to be recommended pre-alibaba, but not something to be recommended post-alibaba.
- closed 7y ago
  How is Tse Tsan-tai a western, anti-chinese propagandist? He was a collaborator w/ Sun Yat-sen. I realize the two drew influence from western ideals (and christianity), but wonder what makes them anti-chinese. That the Chinese government praised Sun Yat-sen, and printed a commemorative coin for his 150th birthday, seems at odds with your sentiment. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-10/25/content_27171381.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-10/25/content_271713...
  - elfexec 7y ago
    > How is Tse Tsan-tai a western, anti-chinese propagandist? "Born in Grafton, New South Wales, to a "patriotic" Chinese, Tse Yat-cheong (謝日昌), Tse Tsan-tai was baptised James See on 1 November 1879." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tse_Tsan-tai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tse_Tsan-tai When I wrote anti-chinese, I meant at the time - qing china. And the SCMP was created by a british "journalist" and Tse specifically to push anti-chinese propaganda at that time. > That the Chinese government praised Sun Yat-sen, and printed a commemorative coin for his 150th birthday, seems at odds with your sentiment. Why? The CCP can choose to celebrate parts of sun yat-sen's legacy which aligns with their own ideology - especially the destruction of china's feudal system. Also, you can praise sun yat-sen as a larger part of reincorporating taiwan back to the mainland. We celebrate Robert E. Lee, does it make the US anti-US? Hell in the 1970s, the US celebrate Mao and Deng in order to grow our relationship. Doesn't make the US pro-communist.
    - closed 7y ago
      > When I wrote anti-chinese, I meant at the time Ah, okay. I read your original post as critical of scmp as anti Chinese today, but am not sure if that's what you meant now.

For Asian regional news in English I'd recommend Southern China Morning Post. It's based out of Hong Kong and still independent from the CCP's grasp (for now).

by pbk1 7y ago

For Asian regional news in English I'd recommend Southern China Morning Post. It's based out of Hong Kong and still independent from the CCP's grasp (for now).

_-___________-_ 7y ago

Here in HK, SCMP is generally not believed to be independent of the party. SCMP is owned by Alibaba Group, one of the largest companies in mainland China. Do you really think it's possible for Alibaba to have _any_ part of it that's outside of the CCP's grasp?

nkurz 7y ago

A link might help: https://www.scmp.com https://www.scmp.com I often stumble across their articles, and often they are quite good. I'd be interested to hear more about their politics and biases so I know better how interpret their coverage. Is there a Western source they would be considered to be aligned with, or are they unique?

muzani 7y ago

SCMP is my favourite news site by far. It's probably the only one I would pay for regularly, if I paid for news, and I'm surprised it doesn't appear more on HN.

elfexec 7y ago

SCMP was created by "western" anti-chinese propagandists. "The journal was founded by Australian-born anti-Qing dynasty revolutionary Tse Tsan-tai and British journalist Alfred Cunningham" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post It's strange you think it is something to be recommended pre-alibaba, but not something to be recommended post-alibaba.

closed 7y ago
How is Tse Tsan-tai a western, anti-chinese propagandist? He was a collaborator w/ Sun Yat-sen. I realize the two drew influence from western ideals (and christianity), but wonder what makes them anti-chinese. That the Chinese government praised Sun Yat-sen, and printed a commemorative coin for his 150th birthday, seems at odds with your sentiment. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-10/25/content_27171381.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-10/25/content_271713...
- elfexec 7y ago
  > How is Tse Tsan-tai a western, anti-chinese propagandist? "Born in Grafton, New South Wales, to a "patriotic" Chinese, Tse Yat-cheong (謝日昌), Tse Tsan-tai was baptised James See on 1 November 1879." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tse_Tsan-tai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tse_Tsan-tai When I wrote anti-chinese, I meant at the time - qing china. And the SCMP was created by a british "journalist" and Tse specifically to push anti-chinese propaganda at that time. > That the Chinese government praised Sun Yat-sen, and printed a commemorative coin for his 150th birthday, seems at odds with your sentiment. Why? The CCP can choose to celebrate parts of sun yat-sen's legacy which aligns with their own ideology - especially the destruction of china's feudal system. Also, you can praise sun yat-sen as a larger part of reincorporating taiwan back to the mainland. We celebrate Robert E. Lee, does it make the US anti-US? Hell in the 1970s, the US celebrate Mao and Deng in order to grow our relationship. Doesn't make the US pro-communist.
  - closed 7y ago
    > When I wrote anti-chinese, I meant at the time Ah, okay. I read your original post as critical of scmp as anti Chinese today, but am not sure if that's what you meant now.