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Regressive fascists don’t tend to reach their potential engineering quality. Take that number. Subtract all women and Kurds, people who speak critically of the

Regressive fascists don’t tend to reach their potential engineering quality. Take that number. Subtract all women and Kurds, people who speak critically of the government. Adjust for the academics held as political prisoners and brain drained talent. That’s your engineering base. You can’t square the engineering circle when your government is actively engaged in repressing the population.

rth 7y ago
Bullshit! I know Turkey had a Kurdish president as well as many kurdish senators in parliament. Some member of opposition party some members of Erdogan's party. I know some cities have Arabic people more than Kurdish in east of Turkey. The problem historical, needs to be closed for the sake of the citizens.
new2628 7y ago
Why subtract women? I'm quite sure that women participation in engineering studies is higher than in most (all) western nations.
ReptileMan 7y ago
File that under "Not even wrong" Women in Turkey are allowed to study and participate active in the economy. Ditto with Kurds. The purges of academics were mostly in humanities. There are a shitload of tensions between the white and black turks, between turks and kurds, erdogan is hardly the most pleasant person in the world and has lots of enemies, with the slowing economy country imploding at some point is not unthinkable, but so far the day to day life in Turkey is chugging along just fine.
- unlinked_dll 7y ago
  For now.
squilliam 7y ago
German engineers during WWII seems to refute this claim. History shows that talented engineers drafted machines of mass murder with smile, as long as it would fund their departments and I'm sure there were other considerations in their decision to comply as well.
- unlinked_dll 7y ago
  To the contrary, I'd argue that the expulsion of Jewish academics and their ultimate exodus or execution directly led to the Nazi's failure to develop atomic weapons. As well there are notable examples of Germans who didn't build weapons "with a smile" for the Nazis, and the usage of slave labor in the war machine harmed their industrial capacity through sabotage.
- petra 7y ago
  Many world leading scientists fled Germany after 1933: https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.4.20180926a/full/ https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.4.2018092... And 15% of the scientists that we're fired from universities were responsible for 64% of academic citations. Also, many ways Germany had the inferior war technology and progress: encryption. nuclear. Soviet tanks we're better. Germany didn't have long range bombers. British anti-aircraft systems were better. And all that from a country that led the world in science and engineering before WWII.
  - hutzlibu 7y ago
    "Also, many ways Germany had the inferior war technology and progress: encryption. nuclear. " But superior in conventional warfare at the beginning of WW2. Stukas, tanks and infanterie well (radio) coordinated. MG42, the basemodel is still in use as MG3 today Also later: ME262 (first jet engine), STG44 (first assault rifle), V1 and V2 (rockets) So given the size, german wartechnology was very advanced. But it was because this was the sole focus of the ruling nazi party: war tech. Basic university research is about anything and mostly civilian and the nazis were no academics: they cared about war technology and "scientific" proof, that the aryans are superior. So they did not feel the loss of the fleeing jewish based intellectuals so hard. "And all that from a country that led the world in science and engineering before WWII." And this statement is probably more likely true before WWI.
mda 7y ago
Woman and Kurdish engineers are plenty in Turkey. It could be better sure. The way you say it makes me think you haven't lived in Turkey lately.

rth 7y ago

Bullshit! I know Turkey had a Kurdish president as well as many kurdish senators in parliament. Some member of opposition party some members of Erdogan's party. I know some cities have Arabic people more than Kurdish in east of Turkey. The problem historical, needs to be closed for the sake of the citizens.

new2628 7y ago

Why subtract women? I'm quite sure that women participation in engineering studies is higher than in most (all) western nations.

ReptileMan 7y ago

File that under "Not even wrong" Women in Turkey are allowed to study and participate active in the economy. Ditto with Kurds. The purges of academics were mostly in humanities. There are a shitload of tensions between the white and black turks, between turks and kurds, erdogan is hardly the most pleasant person in the world and has lots of enemies, with the slowing economy country imploding at some point is not unthinkable, but so far the day to day life in Turkey is chugging along just fine.

unlinked_dll 7y ago
For now.

squilliam 7y ago

German engineers during WWII seems to refute this claim. History shows that talented engineers drafted machines of mass murder with smile, as long as it would fund their departments and I'm sure there were other considerations in their decision to comply as well.

unlinked_dll 7y ago
To the contrary, I'd argue that the expulsion of Jewish academics and their ultimate exodus or execution directly led to the Nazi's failure to develop atomic weapons. As well there are notable examples of Germans who didn't build weapons "with a smile" for the Nazis, and the usage of slave labor in the war machine harmed their industrial capacity through sabotage.
petra 7y ago
Many world leading scientists fled Germany after 1933: https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.4.20180926a/full/ https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.4.2018092... And 15% of the scientists that we're fired from universities were responsible for 64% of academic citations. Also, many ways Germany had the inferior war technology and progress: encryption. nuclear. Soviet tanks we're better. Germany didn't have long range bombers. British anti-aircraft systems were better. And all that from a country that led the world in science and engineering before WWII.
- hutzlibu 7y ago
  "Also, many ways Germany had the inferior war technology and progress: encryption. nuclear. " But superior in conventional warfare at the beginning of WW2. Stukas, tanks and infanterie well (radio) coordinated. MG42, the basemodel is still in use as MG3 today Also later: ME262 (first jet engine), STG44 (first assault rifle), V1 and V2 (rockets) So given the size, german wartechnology was very advanced. But it was because this was the sole focus of the ruling nazi party: war tech. Basic university research is about anything and mostly civilian and the nazis were no academics: they cared about war technology and "scientific" proof, that the aryans are superior. So they did not feel the loss of the fleeing jewish based intellectuals so hard. "And all that from a country that led the world in science and engineering before WWII." And this statement is probably more likely true before WWI.

mda 7y ago

Woman and Kurdish engineers are plenty in Turkey. It could be better sure. The way you say it makes me think you haven't lived in Turkey lately.