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>4pm meal can be a cheese burger, Chinese food or paki food (like chicken Karahi) I do an evening workout around 7pm with kettle bell swings to burn the sugar.

>4pm meal can be a cheese burger, Chinese food or paki food (like chicken Karahi) I do an evening workout around 7pm with kettle bell swings to burn the sugar. If I can make a suggestion...if possible continue the fast into the workout. If you find you don't have the energy to get through the workout or performance suffers try replacing the meal with a sugarfree pre-workout to get through, then eat the carbs with some protein post workout. The general idea is the sugar/carbs you eat at 4 will not truly be available to burn at 7, but you will have probably spiked insulin so your body is trying to store energy while you are in the gym trying to access the energy. Whereas if you can make the workout fasted, you will be in ketosis burning fat and have naturally spiked you HGH from the fast, then after the workout while you are catabolic you will eat carbs/protein to trigger anabolism (recovery/repair) of the muscles while filing up your depleted glucose/glycogen aided by the carbs/insulin.

uhtred 7y ago
Jeez, or just eat 3 healthy balanced meals a day and stop obsessing over gimicks and fad diets. I can't imagine our ancient ancestors worrying about fasting or being keto.
- very_nice_3 7y ago
  I think you have it backwards. The reason people are fasting and doing keto is because it seems to be much closer to how our ancient ancestors lived. Fasting is a natural state many animals, including humans, are well equipped to enter. Not only are we equipped to enter fasting, but it seems to have some very good effects on us when we do it Of course our ancient ancestors didn't have to "worry" about fasting or being keto, just like they didn't have to "worry" about getting enough cardio and exercise. Yet we do, because otherwise our modern conveniences will keep killing us and making us sick. Fasting and Keto are two answers to the question of "How do we better replicate the way ancient Humans lived?"
- throwaway_tech 7y ago
  >Jeez, or just eat 3 healthy balanced meals a day and stop obsessing over gimmicks and fad diets. Do you see the irony is calling fasting a fad diet when it has been part of human culture across the globe for thousands of years, and instead you point to "3 healthy balanced meals a day" which essentially was a fad diet in the 18th century. >I can't imagine our ancient ancestors worrying about fasting or being keto. Again all the Worlds major religions have codified fasting into their religious texts and traditions (they must have thought it was pretty important to pass down together with sacred religious texts). As far as Keto...the original Keto diet was developed and codified because is prevented epileptic seizures, but that wasn't a wild guess in the dark, its been known for thousands of years fasting would prevent seizures (it just wasn't codified that fasting puts someone in a state of ketosis which can be mimicked with a high fat diet).
  - uhtred 7y ago
    Fasting is done by religious people (not renowned for their rational thought) to appease a god, not because they think it's supposedly healthy. And sure, replace my "three meals a day" with "regular eating throughout the day" if it makes you feel better. My point is, our ancient ancestors were foragers and would have grazed on plants throughout the day. It's what our bodies have evolved to do. As for keto, you said it yourself. It was used as a way to reduce epileptic seizures, not because it was thought of as the optimal way for humans to eat.
    - throwaway_tech 7y ago
      >Fasting is done by religious people (not renowned for their rational thought) to appease a god, not because they think it's supposedly healthy. You really have an odd bone to pick with fasting...so how about the ancient Greeks? They didn't practice the Abrahamic religions and the Greeks serve as the foundation of Western thought and logic. In fact lets take Plato and Artistotle who both fasted purely for the physical and mental benefits not for the Gods, as was common, for example: "Everyone has a physician inside him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well. Our food should be our medicine. Our medicine should be our food. But to eat when you are sick is to feed your sickness." -Hippocrates "Instead of using medicine, rather, fast a day." - Plutarch >It was used as a way to reduce epileptic seizures, not because it was thought of as the optimal way for humans to eat. It was already known fasting prevent seizures. Keto was developed as a way to mimic those benefits of fasting without having to abstain from food/fast. >It's what our bodies have evolved to do. Well from an evolutionary perspective, the human brain more efficiently runs off of ketones than glucose. Biologically humans need insulin to clear glucose from the blood and biologically humans become resistant to insulin over time (so its not much of an evolutionary argument). Not to mention the recent Nobel Prize for discovering Autophagy which is the process of cell recycling triggered by...fasting.
0-_-0 7y ago
That actually makes sense
adamqureshi 7y ago
YES. So i workout 12-1pm in the afternoon in a fasted state. The eve workout 12 min , is to burn any extra sugar i may have in my blood stream from eating at 4pm. I am with you. My pre-diabetes status is now gone. I think i may have to make IF a life long diet. I have NEVER felt better. I am 170 5' 10" solid I "was" 184 when i had the pre-diabetes diagnosis.
- throwaway_tech 7y ago
  >My pre-diabetes status is now gone. Congrats. I hope you continue to be inspired and inspire others on your journey.
  - adamqureshi 7y ago
    THANK YOU! I tell EVERYBODY! I URGE everyone to try! Eat LESS stuff. Mostly plants. Have SOME bacon / grass fed beed / steak ONCE a week so what. :-)

uhtred 7y ago

Jeez, or just eat 3 healthy balanced meals a day and stop obsessing over gimicks and fad diets. I can't imagine our ancient ancestors worrying about fasting or being keto.

very_nice_3 7y ago
I think you have it backwards. The reason people are fasting and doing keto is because it seems to be much closer to how our ancient ancestors lived. Fasting is a natural state many animals, including humans, are well equipped to enter. Not only are we equipped to enter fasting, but it seems to have some very good effects on us when we do it Of course our ancient ancestors didn't have to "worry" about fasting or being keto, just like they didn't have to "worry" about getting enough cardio and exercise. Yet we do, because otherwise our modern conveniences will keep killing us and making us sick. Fasting and Keto are two answers to the question of "How do we better replicate the way ancient Humans lived?"
throwaway_tech 7y ago
>Jeez, or just eat 3 healthy balanced meals a day and stop obsessing over gimmicks and fad diets. Do you see the irony is calling fasting a fad diet when it has been part of human culture across the globe for thousands of years, and instead you point to "3 healthy balanced meals a day" which essentially was a fad diet in the 18th century. >I can't imagine our ancient ancestors worrying about fasting or being keto. Again all the Worlds major religions have codified fasting into their religious texts and traditions (they must have thought it was pretty important to pass down together with sacred religious texts). As far as Keto...the original Keto diet was developed and codified because is prevented epileptic seizures, but that wasn't a wild guess in the dark, its been known for thousands of years fasting would prevent seizures (it just wasn't codified that fasting puts someone in a state of ketosis which can be mimicked with a high fat diet).
- uhtred 7y ago
  Fasting is done by religious people (not renowned for their rational thought) to appease a god, not because they think it's supposedly healthy. And sure, replace my "three meals a day" with "regular eating throughout the day" if it makes you feel better. My point is, our ancient ancestors were foragers and would have grazed on plants throughout the day. It's what our bodies have evolved to do. As for keto, you said it yourself. It was used as a way to reduce epileptic seizures, not because it was thought of as the optimal way for humans to eat.
  - throwaway_tech 7y ago
    >Fasting is done by religious people (not renowned for their rational thought) to appease a god, not because they think it's supposedly healthy. You really have an odd bone to pick with fasting...so how about the ancient Greeks? They didn't practice the Abrahamic religions and the Greeks serve as the foundation of Western thought and logic. In fact lets take Plato and Artistotle who both fasted purely for the physical and mental benefits not for the Gods, as was common, for example: "Everyone has a physician inside him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well. Our food should be our medicine. Our medicine should be our food. But to eat when you are sick is to feed your sickness." -Hippocrates "Instead of using medicine, rather, fast a day." - Plutarch >It was used as a way to reduce epileptic seizures, not because it was thought of as the optimal way for humans to eat. It was already known fasting prevent seizures. Keto was developed as a way to mimic those benefits of fasting without having to abstain from food/fast. >It's what our bodies have evolved to do. Well from an evolutionary perspective, the human brain more efficiently runs off of ketones than glucose. Biologically humans need insulin to clear glucose from the blood and biologically humans become resistant to insulin over time (so its not much of an evolutionary argument). Not to mention the recent Nobel Prize for discovering Autophagy which is the process of cell recycling triggered by...fasting.

0-_-0 7y ago

That actually makes sense

adamqureshi 7y ago

YES. So i workout 12-1pm in the afternoon in a fasted state. The eve workout 12 min , is to burn any extra sugar i may have in my blood stream from eating at 4pm. I am with you. My pre-diabetes status is now gone. I think i may have to make IF a life long diet. I have NEVER felt better. I am 170 5' 10" solid I "was" 184 when i had the pre-diabetes diagnosis.

throwaway_tech 7y ago
>My pre-diabetes status is now gone. Congrats. I hope you continue to be inspired and inspire others on your journey.
- adamqureshi 7y ago
  THANK YOU! I tell EVERYBODY! I URGE everyone to try! Eat LESS stuff. Mostly plants. Have SOME bacon / grass fed beed / steak ONCE a week so what. :-)