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Don't know about least resistance. I found that trying to replace emacs' utterly unergonomic bindings and other insane defaults without conflicting with all th

by clarry 7y ago

Don't know about least resistance. I found that trying to replace emacs' utterly unergonomic bindings and other insane defaults without conflicting with all the plugins you kinda need to work around its dated built-in features is an uphill swim.

vinceguidry 7y ago
Spacemacs is the best answer to that problem I've seen yet, if you ever want to give it another shot. https://www.spacemacs.org/ https://www.spacemacs.org/
- clarry 7y ago
  Does it offer a simple way to remove smart indenting in C mode and just copy the indentation from previous line?
  - clarry 7y ago
    Looks like a clusterfuck composed for you by other people is still a clusterfuck. I gave it a couple hours and ran into a bunch of issues just by using spacemacs master and enabling a few layers. For example, semantic seems to be pretty broken and unmaintained, and only googling around is how you find out. Yet other layers' documentation kinda (not so) subtly nudge you towards installing broken crap like this, without telling you that it's broken. https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/5yxxrl/what_is_that_status_of_semantic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/5yxxrl/what_is_that_... Enabling version-control layer breaks a bunch of magit functionality, including basics such as commit. Don't enable that broken layer, I guess? Funny, apparently fixed in develop and still broken in master 9 months later.. https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/12056 https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/12056 git blame is broken: https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3883 https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3883 Does anyone actually use this stuff?! And I still haven't found a way out of silly autoindentation so I'm forced to waste time trying to configure features that I did not want in the first place :( Stuff like ^N and ^P aren't quite working like in vim either.. This kind of stuff is pretty much exactly what pushed me away from emacs the second time I tried to use it for real. A tangled mess of a bazillion packages that interfere with each other and come in various degrees of unmaintained, broken, or obviously broken is not a good foundation for building good software.
    - slightwinder 7y ago
      Did you try master-branch? For whatever reason development-culture at spacemacs is very broken and most work happens in develop-branch which rarely is merged into master. I think at the moment they are around 1-2 years behind on master and only add critical patches AFAIK. For this reason most people use develop-branch and avoid master-branch. I think the bigger problem with spacemacs is that they have a vision too big, and emacs just does not offer tools and culture to support it. So they are constantly working against the hill.

by clarry 7y ago

vinceguidry 7y ago

Spacemacs is the best answer to that problem I've seen yet, if you ever want to give it another shot. https://www.spacemacs.org/ https://www.spacemacs.org/

clarry 7y ago
Does it offer a simple way to remove smart indenting in C mode and just copy the indentation from previous line?
- clarry 7y ago
  Looks like a clusterfuck composed for you by other people is still a clusterfuck. I gave it a couple hours and ran into a bunch of issues just by using spacemacs master and enabling a few layers. For example, semantic seems to be pretty broken and unmaintained, and only googling around is how you find out. Yet other layers' documentation kinda (not so) subtly nudge you towards installing broken crap like this, without telling you that it's broken. https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/5yxxrl/what_is_that_status_of_semantic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/5yxxrl/what_is_that_... Enabling version-control layer breaks a bunch of magit functionality, including basics such as commit. Don't enable that broken layer, I guess? Funny, apparently fixed in develop and still broken in master 9 months later.. https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/12056 https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/12056 git blame is broken: https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3883 https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3883 Does anyone actually use this stuff?! And I still haven't found a way out of silly autoindentation so I'm forced to waste time trying to configure features that I did not want in the first place :( Stuff like ^N and ^P aren't quite working like in vim either.. This kind of stuff is pretty much exactly what pushed me away from emacs the second time I tried to use it for real. A tangled mess of a bazillion packages that interfere with each other and come in various degrees of unmaintained, broken, or obviously broken is not a good foundation for building good software.
  - slightwinder 7y ago
    Did you try master-branch? For whatever reason development-culture at spacemacs is very broken and most work happens in develop-branch which rarely is merged into master. I think at the moment they are around 1-2 years behind on master and only add critical patches AFAIK. For this reason most people use develop-branch and avoid master-branch. I think the bigger problem with spacemacs is that they have a vision too big, and emacs just does not offer tools and culture to support it. So they are constantly working against the hill.