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Idk, my mom found windows 95 etc very hard to use but has no trouble with her iPhone, iPad or even a Mac (let alone the TV or can-speak-to appliance). Maybe par

Idk, my mom found windows 95 etc very hard to use but has no trouble with her iPhone, iPad or even a Mac (let alone the TV or can-speak-to appliance). Maybe part of is it is that a lot of problems that required UI solutions before just work magically now. Like file sharing, networking or dealing with different document formats. You don't need nearly as many controls for the most part so the UI can be simpler.

ptman 7y ago
You think she learned nothing in the years between?
- flippyhead 7y ago
  I am embarrassed to say I hadn't considered this actually; and it's a good point. But considering it, no, I don't. She simply doesn't have the mind for it, as far as I can tell.
eitland 7y ago
That is actually a good point. Simple stuff might have become simpler. That said I am firmly in the "we lost something between 95 and here" camp for now. And to while it does explain why pads are different it doesn't explain why we needed to mess up the desktop in the process.
- jopsen 7y ago
  And the market for simple stuff that is simple to do is a lot larger than the desktop market. That's probably what we learned from the iPhone.
  - ldng 7y ago
    Simple UI is better when you have consumer grade "simple" but problems starts when complex pro app start to do "simple" and you get "simplistic stupid"
- GuiA 7y ago
  We have gained many, many features between 95 and today. Your phone does many things (mapping, notifications, cameras, various permissions/access, etc) that your computer did not in 1995. The degree of complexity that can be adequately conveyed graphically on a single screen though is fairly constant.
asjw 7y ago
Windows 95 came out 25 years ago and many jumped directly from DOS or typewriters to it She has +25 years of experience in using computing devices now, and computers are hundreds of times more powerful, of course things are easier for her
- GuiA 7y ago
  I don’t think that argument holds very strongly. My grandma worked on typewriters, and then word processors in the 70s/80s. She had no problem doing her job. She’d been using a Windows laptop since the mid/late 2000’s, and it’s always been a huge struggle for her. She’d frequently enable/disable features without noticing, etc. Her tablet has been, as they say, like a glass of iced water in hell. She is far from a power user, but there is not a single thing she did on her laptop that she cannot do on her tablet.
  - chinesempire 7y ago
    > Her tablet has been, as they say, like a glass of iced water in hell TBF tablets do a fraction of what regular computers do. I find it hard to believe that she finds hard to do the things she does on her tablet on her the laptop. Like, for example, working with excel file (spreadheets in general) on a tablet is excruciatingly hard, while I've seen literal computer illiterates fly on their keyboards
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DanitaBaires 7y ago
A device for consumption can have a simplified UI compared with a device for production.

ptman 7y ago

You think she learned nothing in the years between?

flippyhead 7y ago
I am embarrassed to say I hadn't considered this actually; and it's a good point. But considering it, no, I don't. She simply doesn't have the mind for it, as far as I can tell.

eitland 7y ago

That is actually a good point. Simple stuff might have become simpler. That said I am firmly in the "we lost something between 95 and here" camp for now. And to while it does explain why pads are different it doesn't explain why we needed to mess up the desktop in the process.

jopsen 7y ago
And the market for simple stuff that is simple to do is a lot larger than the desktop market. That's probably what we learned from the iPhone.
- ldng 7y ago
  Simple UI is better when you have consumer grade "simple" but problems starts when complex pro app start to do "simple" and you get "simplistic stupid"
GuiA 7y ago
We have gained many, many features between 95 and today. Your phone does many things (mapping, notifications, cameras, various permissions/access, etc) that your computer did not in 1995. The degree of complexity that can be adequately conveyed graphically on a single screen though is fairly constant.

asjw 7y ago

Windows 95 came out 25 years ago and many jumped directly from DOS or typewriters to it She has +25 years of experience in using computing devices now, and computers are hundreds of times more powerful, of course things are easier for her

GuiA 7y ago
I don’t think that argument holds very strongly. My grandma worked on typewriters, and then word processors in the 70s/80s. She had no problem doing her job. She’d been using a Windows laptop since the mid/late 2000’s, and it’s always been a huge struggle for her. She’d frequently enable/disable features without noticing, etc. Her tablet has been, as they say, like a glass of iced water in hell. She is far from a power user, but there is not a single thing she did on her laptop that she cannot do on her tablet.
- chinesempire 7y ago
  > Her tablet has been, as they say, like a glass of iced water in hell TBF tablets do a fraction of what regular computers do. I find it hard to believe that she finds hard to do the things she does on her tablet on her the laptop. Like, for example, working with excel file (spreadheets in general) on a tablet is excruciatingly hard, while I've seen literal computer illiterates fly on their keyboards
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DanitaBaires 7y ago

A device for consumption can have a simplified UI compared with a device for production.