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If the apps celebrating their new dark mode feature would use the OS GUI toolkit they wouldn't have to worry about that. Many "modern" desktop apps rely on web

by _def 7y ago

If the apps celebrating their new dark mode feature would use the OS GUI toolkit they wouldn't have to worry about that. Many "modern" desktop apps rely on web based technology which throws them back ages in terms of UI and UX

userbinator 7y ago
Many "modern" desktop apps rely on web based technology which throws them back ages in terms of UI and UX For an even more WTF experience, look at how CSS had defined how web apps could use the system-defined colours for UI elements, but then it was deprecated due to a very thin "insufficient" and "security/privacy" argument: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/#deprecated-system-colors https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/#deprecated-system-colors Obviously they could be made sufficient (imagine if JS was deprecated because it was deemed "insufficient" for making applications behave natively...), and things like Electron could use them without worrying about "security" since it's not in pages served over the network. (That "security/privacy" argument is really thin, especially when considering how much less customisable the colours have become in newer OSs!)
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  Unfortunately, "because security!" is currently a trump card that wins all arguments. On the one hand I get it, security has been pretty neglected in the industry over the past decades, but I think we also really ought to have a conversation about the costs of security. The ultimate state of perfect security for a system is a dead rock. Everything that's interesting and useful can only happen in the state of some lack of security.
seandougall 7y ago
Strictly speaking, they also have to be compiled against a new enough SDK to get Dark Mode support via the native GUI widgets. For apps that need backward compatibility, that can get hairy. (But yeah, that’s nothing compared to what Electron has wrought.)

by _def 7y ago

userbinator 7y ago

Many "modern" desktop apps rely on web based technology which throws them back ages in terms of UI and UX For an even more WTF experience, look at how CSS had defined how web apps could use the system-defined colours for UI elements, but then it was deprecated due to a very thin "insufficient" and "security/privacy" argument: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/#deprecated-system-colors https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/#deprecated-system-colors Obviously they could be made sufficient (imagine if JS was deprecated because it was deemed "insufficient" for making applications behave natively...), and things like Electron could use them without worrying about "security" since it's not in pages served over the network. (That "security/privacy" argument is really thin, especially when considering how much less customisable the colours have become in newer OSs!)

TeMPOraL 7y ago
Unfortunately, "because security!" is currently a trump card that wins all arguments. On the one hand I get it, security has been pretty neglected in the industry over the past decades, but I think we also really ought to have a conversation about the costs of security. The ultimate state of perfect security for a system is a dead rock. Everything that's interesting and useful can only happen in the state of some lack of security.

seandougall 7y ago

Strictly speaking, they also have to be compiled against a new enough SDK to get Dark Mode support via the native GUI widgets. For apps that need backward compatibility, that can get hairy. (But yeah, that’s nothing compared to what Electron has wrought.)