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> "Sure tabloid X is all lies, but NY Times/WaPo/etc don't check facts" I trust mainstream publications to mostly report accurately, but they also choose what

by deogeo 7y ago

> "Sure tabloid X is all lies, but NY Times/WaPo/etc don't check facts" I trust mainstream publications to mostly report accurately, but they also choose what to report. E.g. the NY Times decided to reframe US history around slavery [1]. Suppose, at the height of the refugee crisis, the Guardian decided to launch a project to reframe Europe's history around Islamic invasions and slavery [2,3,4,5]? Suddenly, it would become very clear there's more to journalism than only accuracy. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/column/1619-project https://www.nytimes.com/column/1619-project [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

weare138 7y ago
You might want to reread the title of that NY Times page you linked to as the basis for your argument. It's not reframing US history around slavery. The series is specifically about slavery in the US. Here's the full title: 1619 An audio series from The Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery.
- deogeo 7y ago
  You're right, sorry. I was going by the summary in the search results. I should have linked one of the following instead: "It aims to reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative.": https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619... "The goal of The 1619 Project is to reframe American history by considering what it would mean to regard 1619 as our nation’s birth year. Doing so requires us to place the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are as a country.": https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/magazine/1619-intro.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/magazine/1619... "The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times to correct the record, reframing the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the center of the national narrative.": https://store.nytimes.com/products/the-1619-project https://store.nytimes.com/products/the-1619-project

by deogeo 7y ago

weare138 7y ago

You might want to reread the title of that NY Times page you linked to as the basis for your argument. It's not reframing US history around slavery. The series is specifically about slavery in the US. Here's the full title: 1619 An audio series from The Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery.

deogeo 7y ago
You're right, sorry. I was going by the summary in the search results. I should have linked one of the following instead: "It aims to reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative.": https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619... "The goal of The 1619 Project is to reframe American history by considering what it would mean to regard 1619 as our nation’s birth year. Doing so requires us to place the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are as a country.": https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/magazine/1619-intro.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/magazine/1619... "The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times to correct the record, reframing the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the center of the national narrative.": https://store.nytimes.com/products/the-1619-project https://store.nytimes.com/products/the-1619-project