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Yeah, that's basically how it should happen. In California, there's ample precedent for taking products off of the market when they're shown to harm consumers,

Yeah, that's basically how it should happen. In California, there's ample precedent for taking products off of the market when they're shown to harm consumers, and if that happens to kill off manufacturers who aren't diversified, then so be it. Are you really going to be sad if Facebook can't survive CCPA?

Rebelgecko 7y ago
On the other hand, we also have things like Prop 65 warnings that have become so commonplace that they don't really impart useful information. Any useful signal is totally overwhelmed by noise. Putting the same warning on a restaurant that serves french fries and a pack of cigarettes diminishes the usefulness of the warning (unless parking garages, coffee, and fried food are actually significant carcinogens?)
- lidHanteyk 7y ago
  CCPA isn't just about warnings, though. CCPA also affects the data-harvesting abilities of businesses, and requires that a business be prepared to explain which personal information is stored and for what purpose. I suppose that, to draw a better analogy with Prop 65, the requirements of Prop 65 did supposedly cause some manufacturing materials, certain dyes, rubbers, foams, and plastics, to be drastically removed from the marketplace. The story of lead alone is worth considering; as usual, lead was in the pipes. [0] We are not expecting a wave of cookie warnings, and indeed CCPA's language doesn't allow for it. Some businesses will have to alter their practices; some products may have to be withdrawn from the market entirely. The worry that children might get used to clicking through EULAs and giving away their data has already been shown true by the previous generation of Internet users; at this point, we are merely trying to curb the damage continuing to be dealt and done. And remember: For every ingredient that needs a warning label, that ingredient also can't be dumped into streams or rivers. It's not just about a prettier warning label on the product, but about real improvements to the manufacturing process. [0] https://digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1038&context=pubs https://digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic...
ailideex 7y ago
> Are you really going to be sad if Facebook can't survive CCPA? Most people I know would be.
narag 7y ago
Are you really going to be sad if Facebook can't survive CCPA? My point is that there's no chance it will happen. Any fallout will be just a new burden to users.

Rebelgecko 7y ago

On the other hand, we also have things like Prop 65 warnings that have become so commonplace that they don't really impart useful information. Any useful signal is totally overwhelmed by noise. Putting the same warning on a restaurant that serves french fries and a pack of cigarettes diminishes the usefulness of the warning (unless parking garages, coffee, and fried food are actually significant carcinogens?)

lidHanteyk 7y ago
CCPA isn't just about warnings, though. CCPA also affects the data-harvesting abilities of businesses, and requires that a business be prepared to explain which personal information is stored and for what purpose. I suppose that, to draw a better analogy with Prop 65, the requirements of Prop 65 did supposedly cause some manufacturing materials, certain dyes, rubbers, foams, and plastics, to be drastically removed from the marketplace. The story of lead alone is worth considering; as usual, lead was in the pipes. [0] We are not expecting a wave of cookie warnings, and indeed CCPA's language doesn't allow for it. Some businesses will have to alter their practices; some products may have to be withdrawn from the market entirely. The worry that children might get used to clicking through EULAs and giving away their data has already been shown true by the previous generation of Internet users; at this point, we are merely trying to curb the damage continuing to be dealt and done. And remember: For every ingredient that needs a warning label, that ingredient also can't be dumped into streams or rivers. It's not just about a prettier warning label on the product, but about real improvements to the manufacturing process. [0] https://digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1038&context=pubs https://digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic...

ailideex 7y ago

> Are you really going to be sad if Facebook can't survive CCPA? Most people I know would be.

narag 7y ago

Are you really going to be sad if Facebook can't survive CCPA? My point is that there's no chance it will happen. Any fallout will be just a new burden to users.