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Ideally, I do. The tools that are needed here would provide the ability for each of us to screen out whatever we don't care to see, whether it be racist speech
by downerending 7y ago
Ideally, I do.
The tools that are needed here would provide the ability for each of us to screen out whatever we don't care to see, whether it be racist speech or just people that won't shut up about crossfit.
And since it's just me controlling my filter, I could easily adjust the level of filtering. Sometimes it's useful to know what people outside my Overton Window are talking about.
- umvi 7y agoWon't people just use this to build impenetrable bubbles around themselves? You say you'll use it to peek outside of your bubble, but I suspect most people would use it to reinforce their bubbles by filtering any speech that is inconvenient or uncomfortable.
- DaiPlusPlus 7y agoIt already exists on reddit. I don't think "T_D" has any kind of significant readership from well-grounded people with genuine curiosity of what the MAGA camp is currently discussing. Instead, we need to end isolationism and the siloing of audiences. We should be forced to interact with people we have ideological disagreements with so, at the very least, we don't dehumanize them (note that I'm not calling for tolerance of intolerance, and I believe voices of division should be deplatformed).
- ratsmack 7y agoThe difference with Reddit is that it's not the general audience that is isolating T_D, It's the Reddit admins. It should be left up to the individual readers as to what they want to see in their feed, not the admins.
- weaksauce 7y agoand they certainly can. they just can't export their hate and vitriol to people not logged in and subscribed or just browsing all.
- DaiPlusPlus 7y agoYou can - Reddit's users can all subscribe to a other subreddits and can unsubscribe from the default subreddits.
- ratsmack 7y agoThen why do they utilize admins and mods to delete so many submissions and comments that fall outside some predetermined narrative?
- ratsmack 7y agoPeople should be able to choose what they want to see, but they shouldn't determine what others wish to see in their feed.
- big_chungus 7y agoMany platforms use the feedback of other users to rank and deliver content. Views and ratings on you tube influence recommendations, up mods on reddit influence what hits the front page of a sub reddit or the site over all, up mods on HN influence what hits the front page. Many sites on the internet are premised on users consciously allowing others to determine what they see.
- scotty79 7y agoPeople don't change their mind when they are confronted with opposing views. They double down and get more entrenched when that happens. So letting people live in their bubbles might soften their conviction and keep them open to opposing ideas when they finally encounter them.
- DaiPlusPlus 7y agoThat doesn't help the situation: people who already have extremist opinions would then simply filter-out the mainstream and/or opposition content and be content with their own echo-chamber, which would only further their extremism and end with nasty results. > Sometimes it's useful to know what people outside my Overton Window are talking about. People don't have a personal Overton window: The Overton window describe's society's range of acceptable opinions. And I guarantee that the vast majority of extremists - or even people already on the fringes - are not interested in reading or hearing about the opposition.
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- ratsmack 7y ago>... extremist opinions ... Who determines what is an "extremist opinion"?
- DaiPlusPlus 7y agoThat's (tautologically, I admit) defined implicitly by my answer. I define it (for the purposes of this conversation) as an opinion that its holders buy into so much that they outright refuse to acknowledge anything in opposition. After-all, if you believe you've bought-in to "the truth" (and lack critical-thinking skills, and/or have been propagandized to this point anyway) then it has to be an extreme position (by whatever the standards of the contemporary Overton window apply) because otherwise it wouldn't be necessary to propagandize or rile similarly-minded people against your opposition.
- downerending 7y agoIf "the situation" means people thinking whatever they like, then no, this doesn't "help". Personally I'm against telling people what to think, and in any case, I'm convinced that this is a wholly ineffective approach to changing hearts and minds.
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- im3w1l 7y agoOne thing I worry about with that solution is that it seems that the elite is more and more detached from the common man. They no longer know his concerns, fears or opinions. Let's say some leader decides to build a thousand new coal power plants, and the people want him lynched for destroying the climate. Filtering that hatred out is not a clear positive.
- beardedetim 7y agoLet them eat cake!
- kick 7y agoWhat's happened historically is that people will go up to the person, in person, and yell at them. Ideally, this chases them out of where they are. For example: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/ted-cruz-wife-chased-out-d-c-restaurant-anti-kavanaugh-n912821 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/ted-cruz-wife... This is a much better approach than going online and screaming vulgarity, because this prevents them from enjoying their actual life. If your opponent is genuinely doing something wrong, you want to make them miserable. You don't want to Be Mad Online at them.
- ratsmack 7y agoWhat you show there is what's referred to as harassment. It is generally against the law.
- kick 7y agoSpeech is speech, and in America, it's constitutionally-protected. If they touched him, sure, but they didn't.
- big_chungus 7y agoEnough people yelling persistently at someone could be perceived as threatening. Might you not feel threatened by people surrounding you, yelling at you, and refusing to leave? Getting that close crosses from protesting to intimidating. Notice that Sen. and Mrs. Cruz were having difficulty getting through the protesters to leave.
- bmarquez 7y ago100% agreed. Yes there are those who will say that they're creating their own thought bubble, but I'd argue it's already happening especially with regards to mainstream politics. Let me as the user decide for myself (and not for anyone else). Try posting one-sided political content on Facebook and watch your friends on the opposing side unfollow...they're not obliged to listen to your speech. Or on Reddit look at /r/politics vs /r/The_Donald (left vs right echo chambers).
- um_ya 7y agoThe difference between r/politics and r/the_donald, is that one is determined "acceptable" and propagated to everyone, while the other is quarantined and impossible to find. I never understood the culture of censoring your opponents, it just seems intellectually weak.