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> I feel this isn't going to work well the second time It worked a second time and half a dozen times more just the past 100 years. Japan, Germany, France, Sou

> I feel this isn't going to work well the second time It worked a second time and half a dozen times more just the past 100 years. Japan, Germany, France, South Korea, Taiwan, etc all used protectionism to develop their local industries and companies, just like the US did in the 1800s and like China did most recently. Protectionism is required to protect young local underdeveloped industries and companies from wealthier foreign companies. Every major industrialize power used protectionism to get to where they are at today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism_in_the_United_St... It isn't a secret. It's a well established fact by now. > Automation right around the corner and India isn't willing to do the things china was allowed to do. Rather than automation, it's india's politics and the mindset of a large portion of their elites. If you want to understand why india won't be successful, just look at the members of the british commonwealth. You'll see that india is still in it. If the political elite of india, for whatever reasons, still think being part of the british commonwealth is a good idea, it is obvious they are not going to do anything to truly improve india - especially things that might hurt their former colonial masters and the west's interests. You'll never see the US in the british commonwealth with the english queen as our head of state. I'm sure you'll never see china in it either. The elites in the US and china has some national pride needed to improve their nations. Also, india doesn't have the "political center/authority" with which to enact painful reforms internally to industrialize and to ward off external pressure from the west. The problem with India is that they lack the nationalistic aspects of Japan, Germany, France, South Korea, Taiwan, etc which allowed these nations to protect their local industries and develop. And any attempts towards a nationialism in india would led to some internal friction, but more importantly, the west will stoke divisions within the population and amongst the elites to destabilize india and get it back under control. India has a lot of potential but without a strong political center/authority, it can never fulfill its potential. And you only really need that strong political center/authority to provide internal stability and protect from destabilizing foreign interference for a decade or two to help your local industries and companies to develop and industrialize. Otherwise, your country will be bought up by capital rich companies and countries. Who knows if Modi is the man for the job. Given india's history, I won't be holding my breath. Also, in case you think protectionism doesn't exist in the US, China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. look at what is happening with huwaei and the trade war. Look into the protectionist policies of every major industrial nation. It's strange how the wealthy nations love protectionism for themselves but want open markets for poor nations.

triceratops 7y ago
> If you want to understand why india won't be successful, just look at the members of the british commonwealth. You'll see that india is still in it. You'll never see the US in the british commonwealth with the english queen as our head of state. That's the first time I've ever heard someone say the Commonwealth is an indicator of anything. First off, Queen Elizabeth isn't the head of state of India. The head of state of India is the President of India, selected by a vote of the national and state legislatures[1]. Second, having the head of the House of Windsor as their constitutional monarch hasn't impeded Canada or Australia's development in any way whatsoever. India's membership in Commonwealth amounts to basically a cultural and educational exchange program. They participate in the Commonwealth Games every 4 years (or however often they occur). There are no trade or military agreements, or anything else of consequence.[2] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_India 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations#Trade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations#Trade
- elfexec 7y ago
  > That's the first time I've ever heard someone say the Commonwealth is an indicator of anything. Probably because you are from Britain, Canada, Australia or New Zealand. > First off, Queen Elizabeth isn't the head of state of India, like she is in Canada or Australia. But queen elizabeth is the head of the commonwealth. The commonwealth is headquartered in london. The official language is english. The commonwealth is the british empire rebranded - and poorly at that in my opinion. > Second, that hasn't impeded those nations' development in any way whatsoever. Because canada and australia are descendent nations of britain. India was a conquered nation of britain. Surely even you can see that india and african colonies were treated differently than canada, australia and new zealand. > India's membership in Commonwealth amounts to basically a cultural and educational exchange program. A cultural and educational reminder of their humiliating past? > They participate in the Commonwealth Games every 4 years (or however often they occur). There are no trade or military agreements, or anything else of consequence. I don't think you understand what I am saying. A truly great nation. A nation that aspires to be important. Cannot think like a colonial nation. Do you think south korea or taiwan would join a japanese empire rebranded as commonwealth of nations? Of course not, their elites will never allow it. But india is. If the indian elites do not have the requisite national pride needed for india "to be great", how will the nation become great? All major industrial nations have become great via the top-down model. The people at the top need to have that vision first. India simply does not have them amongst their elites. Look at China. They've lifted nearly a billion people out of poverty. India is just now working on trying to get toilets for their people. https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-12/india-access-toilets-remains-huge-problem-worst-all-women-and-girls https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-12/india-access-toilets-... 400 million indians do not have access to reliable electricity. That's more than the population of the US ( 320 million ). https://phys.org/news/2013-11-rural-india-electricity.html https://phys.org/news/2013-11-rural-india-electricity.html Both india and china liberated themselves from western colonialism around the same time. China has improved drastically while india lags behind. Why is that? The list of members of the british commonwealth tells you all you need to know.

triceratops 7y ago

> If you want to understand why india won't be successful, just look at the members of the british commonwealth. You'll see that india is still in it. You'll never see the US in the british commonwealth with the english queen as our head of state. That's the first time I've ever heard someone say the Commonwealth is an indicator of anything. First off, Queen Elizabeth isn't the head of state of India. The head of state of India is the President of India, selected by a vote of the national and state legislatures[1]. Second, having the head of the House of Windsor as their constitutional monarch hasn't impeded Canada or Australia's development in any way whatsoever. India's membership in Commonwealth amounts to basically a cultural and educational exchange program. They participate in the Commonwealth Games every 4 years (or however often they occur). There are no trade or military agreements, or anything else of consequence.[2] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_India 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations#Trade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations#Trade

elfexec 7y ago
> That's the first time I've ever heard someone say the Commonwealth is an indicator of anything. Probably because you are from Britain, Canada, Australia or New Zealand. > First off, Queen Elizabeth isn't the head of state of India, like she is in Canada or Australia. But queen elizabeth is the head of the commonwealth. The commonwealth is headquartered in london. The official language is english. The commonwealth is the british empire rebranded - and poorly at that in my opinion. > Second, that hasn't impeded those nations' development in any way whatsoever. Because canada and australia are descendent nations of britain. India was a conquered nation of britain. Surely even you can see that india and african colonies were treated differently than canada, australia and new zealand. > India's membership in Commonwealth amounts to basically a cultural and educational exchange program. A cultural and educational reminder of their humiliating past? > They participate in the Commonwealth Games every 4 years (or however often they occur). There are no trade or military agreements, or anything else of consequence. I don't think you understand what I am saying. A truly great nation. A nation that aspires to be important. Cannot think like a colonial nation. Do you think south korea or taiwan would join a japanese empire rebranded as commonwealth of nations? Of course not, their elites will never allow it. But india is. If the indian elites do not have the requisite national pride needed for india "to be great", how will the nation become great? All major industrial nations have become great via the top-down model. The people at the top need to have that vision first. India simply does not have them amongst their elites. Look at China. They've lifted nearly a billion people out of poverty. India is just now working on trying to get toilets for their people. https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-12/india-access-toilets-remains-huge-problem-worst-all-women-and-girls https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-12/india-access-toilets-... 400 million indians do not have access to reliable electricity. That's more than the population of the US ( 320 million ). https://phys.org/news/2013-11-rural-india-electricity.html https://phys.org/news/2013-11-rural-india-electricity.html Both india and china liberated themselves from western colonialism around the same time. China has improved drastically while india lags behind. Why is that? The list of members of the british commonwealth tells you all you need to know.