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Could you elaborate on "Poland was occupied by Russia"? Let's put alone that in 89 it was USSR so Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia, etc. all together. In any case

Could you elaborate on "Poland was occupied by Russia"? Let's put alone that in 89 it was USSR so Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia, etc. all together. In any case there were no Russian troops stationed in Poland. Quite opposite, Poland and its army was one of leading members of Warsaw Pact (the name, sic!). So what does "occupation" mean in your statement?

llukas 7y ago
Get your facts straight: USSR troops were stationed in Poland. Wheter it was occupation or not is debatable.
cat199 7y ago
Not OP, but see Hungary '56 and Czechoslovakia '68 for what happens to 'leading warsaw pact members' who decide they want to deviate from the soviet party line.
- lucian1900 7y ago
  Yes, we should be so sad that fascist uprisings threatening to exterminate the poor, disabled and non-native were instead defeated with help from friendly socialist countries. Not all protests, uprisings and revolutions are good. Look at their class character and composition.
  - cat199 7y ago
    a) Thread context was communist poland being a vassal of the USSR, whose policy was subordinate to the CPSU. These examples highlight that policy was not in fact independent in these countries, and, when significant deviation occured, soviet military invasion was a consequence. Whether the uprisings / deviations are good or bad is secondary to this point. b) As for 'facism': show me the 'facism' in the key documents: HU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demands_of_Hungarian_Revolutionaries_of_1956 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demands_of_Hungarian_Revolutio... CS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_a_human_face https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_a_human_face (yes, wikipedia scholarship, better sources welcome) while I have no doubt that facists would piggy-back on to any anti-communist movement to seize a moment of opportunity, framing either of these as 'facist' at their core is at best poor analysis. Even hard-core bolsheviks would differentiate betwean 'bourgeois-democratic reactionaries' and 'facists' since being clear in distinction is necessary for proper argument/strategy.
fishnchips 7y ago
Our leaders were Polish but their words came directly from Moscow. There were Soviet troops stationed in Poland ready for action were those words repeated without the necessary accuracy or zeal. I think the word ‘occupation’ is 100% correct.
mc32 7y ago
What you’re saying is like asking whether or not the French were actually occupied during the Vichy government.

llukas 7y ago

Get your facts straight: USSR troops were stationed in Poland. Wheter it was occupation or not is debatable.

cat199 7y ago

Not OP, but see Hungary '56 and Czechoslovakia '68 for what happens to 'leading warsaw pact members' who decide they want to deviate from the soviet party line.

lucian1900 7y ago
Yes, we should be so sad that fascist uprisings threatening to exterminate the poor, disabled and non-native were instead defeated with help from friendly socialist countries. Not all protests, uprisings and revolutions are good. Look at their class character and composition.
- cat199 7y ago
  a) Thread context was communist poland being a vassal of the USSR, whose policy was subordinate to the CPSU. These examples highlight that policy was not in fact independent in these countries, and, when significant deviation occured, soviet military invasion was a consequence. Whether the uprisings / deviations are good or bad is secondary to this point. b) As for 'facism': show me the 'facism' in the key documents: HU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demands_of_Hungarian_Revolutionaries_of_1956 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demands_of_Hungarian_Revolutio... CS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_a_human_face https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_a_human_face (yes, wikipedia scholarship, better sources welcome) while I have no doubt that facists would piggy-back on to any anti-communist movement to seize a moment of opportunity, framing either of these as 'facist' at their core is at best poor analysis. Even hard-core bolsheviks would differentiate betwean 'bourgeois-democratic reactionaries' and 'facists' since being clear in distinction is necessary for proper argument/strategy.

fishnchips 7y ago

Our leaders were Polish but their words came directly from Moscow. There were Soviet troops stationed in Poland ready for action were those words repeated without the necessary accuracy or zeal. I think the word ‘occupation’ is 100% correct.

mc32 7y ago

What you’re saying is like asking whether or not the French were actually occupied during the Vichy government.