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What's up with the editorialized submission title? Did we ever figure out what V's author is trying to sell? The closest I came to a motivation is that they wa

What's up with the editorialized submission title? Did we ever figure out what V's author is trying to sell? The closest I came to a motivation is that they want attention, acclaim, and a cult of personality; y'know, the Wolfram special.

leftyted 7y ago
Attention and acclaim (and respect and admiration) are perfectly fine motivators. "Cult of personality" seems "editorialized".
- lidHanteyk 7y ago
  But I didn't put "cult of personality" in the title. I'm talking about [0], specifically: > [P]lease use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. My question is really for the submitter, although it doesn't look like they're going to come back and explain themselves. V isn't somehow a sum of Go and Rust. Seriously, look at that stupid stupid statement. Consider it in its fullness. Imagine how many small misconceptions about the nature of programming must have been added together in order to get such a pseudoprofound utterance. Cults of personality are a real problem when it comes to programming languages. By my quick estimates, about half of TIOBE's list of popular programming languages are languages that exist due to a mythologized Great Man (Ruby, Python, C++, PHP, JavaScript) or small conclave of Great Men (C, Go, Swift, Java) having deep insights or understanding of programming. However, there's no serious evidence from outside our system to suggest that any programming language is good, and that should put the entire premise into doubt. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >[P]lease use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. Of thousands of readers on HN, and thousands of people who submit stuff, I'd say a small minority has read or cares to read the submission guidelines. I'm on HN for over 10 years and hardly ever read them, much less having internalized them (not the poster, just saying). So the "don't editorialize" rule is not that known to everybody as you assume, as to make "self-evident" that someone purposefully violated it. It's more probable that they just posted with a title they liked and didn't know they need to copy over the original one...
  - leftyted 7y ago
    I agree with you that the title is dumb.
coldtea 7y ago
So? If one is not religiously motivated, I don't see what problem they'll have with someone wanting attention and acclaim, or even a cult of personality. As long as they deliver... Linus or Guido or even Larry Perl have had both attention, acclaim, and a "cult of personality" and it's been totally possitive...

leftyted 7y ago

Attention and acclaim (and respect and admiration) are perfectly fine motivators. "Cult of personality" seems "editorialized".

lidHanteyk 7y ago
But I didn't put "cult of personality" in the title. I'm talking about [0], specifically: > [P]lease use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. My question is really for the submitter, although it doesn't look like they're going to come back and explain themselves. V isn't somehow a sum of Go and Rust. Seriously, look at that stupid stupid statement. Consider it in its fullness. Imagine how many small misconceptions about the nature of programming must have been added together in order to get such a pseudoprofound utterance. Cults of personality are a real problem when it comes to programming languages. By my quick estimates, about half of TIOBE's list of popular programming languages are languages that exist due to a mythologized Great Man (Ruby, Python, C++, PHP, JavaScript) or small conclave of Great Men (C, Go, Swift, Java) having deep insights or understanding of programming. However, there's no serious evidence from outside our system to suggest that any programming language is good, and that should put the entire premise into doubt. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- coldtea 7y ago
  >[P]lease use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. Of thousands of readers on HN, and thousands of people who submit stuff, I'd say a small minority has read or cares to read the submission guidelines. I'm on HN for over 10 years and hardly ever read them, much less having internalized them (not the poster, just saying). So the "don't editorialize" rule is not that known to everybody as you assume, as to make "self-evident" that someone purposefully violated it. It's more probable that they just posted with a title they liked and didn't know they need to copy over the original one...
- leftyted 7y ago
  I agree with you that the title is dumb.

coldtea 7y ago

So? If one is not religiously motivated, I don't see what problem they'll have with someone wanting attention and acclaim, or even a cult of personality. As long as they deliver... Linus or Guido or even Larry Perl have had both attention, acclaim, and a "cult of personality" and it's been totally possitive...