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> But you're right, adults should be free to be idiots if they like. This is the mentality that ended up getting society down the drain. No, "adults" (many of

by apta 7y ago

> But you're right, adults should be free to be idiots if they like. This is the mentality that ended up getting society down the drain. No, "adults" (many of whom aren't mentally) shouldn't be allowed to be idiots, especially if it puts other people at risk.

AmericanChopper 7y ago
You put yourself at risk countless times every single day, in ways that would mostly be unnecessary. Why should you even be allowed to leave your house without permit? Especially if you’re just doing it for something like entertainment, leisure or your own enjoyment.
- apta 7y ago
  Your argument has a fallacy. Smoking is not only bad for whoever smokes, but is also bad for anyone near him/her, as well as the environment. There is literally zero benefit from it, let's stop with this "adults can do anything they want" mentality.
  - AmericanChopper 7y ago
    Well we’re actually talking about vaping, but I’d still like you to answer my question. Also, you are constantly putting other people at risk as well. Taking any form of transport, cooking, living in a house that has either electricity or natural gas, playing any form of sport, living in a house made from flammable material. If you want to include emotional or psychological harm, then add the very act of existence to the list. All of that and countless other things you do every day puts other people at risk. So again, why should you have the right to do anything at all that put yourself or anybody else at risk of harm?
    - apta 7y ago
      > but I’d still like you to answer my question. It was implied in my answer. Smoking and vaping have nothing but negative outcomes. Driving to get somewhere on the other hand, has both a benefit and a risk. We're also constantly improving safety ratios with things like safer cars, automatic braking systems, and autonomous driving sometime down the line hopefully. All the examples you listed are practically a necessity for modern life, again, a benefit-risk tradeoff, and there are always improvements in safety being developed. Smoking and vaping aren't a necessity, and zero good comes out of them.

by apta 7y ago

AmericanChopper 7y ago

You put yourself at risk countless times every single day, in ways that would mostly be unnecessary. Why should you even be allowed to leave your house without permit? Especially if you’re just doing it for something like entertainment, leisure or your own enjoyment.

apta 7y ago
Your argument has a fallacy. Smoking is not only bad for whoever smokes, but is also bad for anyone near him/her, as well as the environment. There is literally zero benefit from it, let's stop with this "adults can do anything they want" mentality.
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  Well we’re actually talking about vaping, but I’d still like you to answer my question. Also, you are constantly putting other people at risk as well. Taking any form of transport, cooking, living in a house that has either electricity or natural gas, playing any form of sport, living in a house made from flammable material. If you want to include emotional or psychological harm, then add the very act of existence to the list. All of that and countless other things you do every day puts other people at risk. So again, why should you have the right to do anything at all that put yourself or anybody else at risk of harm?
  - apta 7y ago
    > but I’d still like you to answer my question. It was implied in my answer. Smoking and vaping have nothing but negative outcomes. Driving to get somewhere on the other hand, has both a benefit and a risk. We're also constantly improving safety ratios with things like safer cars, automatic braking systems, and autonomous driving sometime down the line hopefully. All the examples you listed are practically a necessity for modern life, again, a benefit-risk tradeoff, and there are always improvements in safety being developed. Smoking and vaping aren't a necessity, and zero good comes out of them.