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Fair enough, but in the past all of these things (Video Games excepted, they’re part of a newer wave of media) usually came in “editions”. Careful fans know the

Fair enough, but in the past all of these things (Video Games excepted, they’re part of a newer wave of media) usually came in “editions”. Careful fans know the difference between the original theater cut of Star Wars: A New Hope, as opposed to the original VHS release as opposed to the late 90’s VHS and later DVD releases. When Kanye “fixed Wolves”, it’s not like the new version showed up as part of “The Life Of Pablo (Remastered Edition)”. He just overwrote the file on the streaming services’ CDNs, and since this is in an age where few people keep copies of their music, the old version sort of disappeared.

shantly 7y ago
> Careful fans know the difference between the original theater cut of Star Wars: A New Hope Careful fans know the original theatrical cut was just called Star Wars :-)
paxys 7y ago
The real problem, then, is not the update itself but rather the distribution mechanism (who really "owns" the content?). If I buy a song digitally on Amazon and save it to my local disk, Kanye isn't going to be able to touch it later. If I download it again tomorrow it may be completely different, but I still have the old version with me (same as a cassette or DVD). If I use Amazon's (or Spotify's or Apple's) streaming service, however, the songs are on their servers, and I am only paying for temporary access. I get to listen only to whatever version they want to send me at any point in time.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
> Star Wars: A New Hope? What is this? ;) Star Wars, and the later Empire Strikes Back were good films, well worth seeing. I still have the "making of" souvenir from the 1977 UK premiere. Then he started the endless pissing about reinventing everything. Last time I tried to watch one, some asshole had ruined it, and my memory of it, and that dog eared magazine souvenir looks quaintly inaccurate. Now I essentially hate the whole franchise, and actively avoid anything George Lucas. I think I've seen 5 of the 7. Or is it 8 now? Don't care or notice any more. :) Stargate, Star Trek and those 50's B movie sci-fi and countless others like "classic" low budget Dr Who have managed to last the decades far better... I actually still like those, and still watch new productions! As for cats, far better to accept they got entirely the worst spot on the anthropomorphising spectrum so even stills look weirdly off and the story telling failed, so it's a dud. Try again in ten years with a new approach and team...
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > I think I've seen 5 of the 7. Or is it 8 now? 11 theatrical releases (not counting re-edits), unless I'm missing something. (Episodes 1-9, not in that order, plus two "A Star Wars Story" films.)
- catalogia 7y ago
  Technically some of Doctor Who has not survived, but that's for unrelated reasons (there simply aren't any known recordings of some episodes.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes
- iso947 7y ago
  > and my memory of it If you revisit something years later, you find your memory will differ. Clearly we know Star Wars is always updated, and other films have been too (ET comes to mind), but even films that haven’t been changed will have false memories — your mindset when you first watched it, stage of life, etc will affect how you remember and how you fill in the blanks There’s then the technical changes - speeding up a 24fps to 25fps (in Europe), or 3:2 pull down in the US, changes to colour space, changes to aspect ratio, all add to subtle changes on how you perceive a movie. Some people I sit that Froot Loops were Fruit Loops, that curious George had a tail (or didn’t?), that Mandela died in prison, etc. Memory is a strange thing, just revisiting a film you watched as a kid even if it’s identical will be able to “ruin your memory”
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    All true, and TV showing brings shortening, censorship and cutting or beeping a swear word (in the US), or violence (in the UK) etc. I grew up a little so I don't even hide any more when Patrick Troughton is about to be killed by Daleks! :) But I do like to revisit what it was, warts, ancient effects and all, rather than a moving target that keeps reinventing the wheel.
    - iso947 7y ago
      You never get the “as it was” though - you change. You get older, the characters you identify with change, the feelings change. The one thing I remember from watching “The Net” in the 90s was Sandra Bullock on the beach, as I was a hormonal teenager. I have no doubt there were other parts of the film. The emphasis will be different to my memory.
whywhywhywhy 7y ago
Wasn’t just Wolves either. There is at least one lyrical change on Famous and he also added the Saint Pablo track. Kept both copies of the album and version numbered them.
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shantly 7y ago

> Careful fans know the difference between the original theater cut of Star Wars: A New Hope Careful fans know the original theatrical cut was just called Star Wars :-)

paxys 7y ago

The real problem, then, is not the update itself but rather the distribution mechanism (who really "owns" the content?). If I buy a song digitally on Amazon and save it to my local disk, Kanye isn't going to be able to touch it later. If I download it again tomorrow it may be completely different, but I still have the old version with me (same as a cassette or DVD). If I use Amazon's (or Spotify's or Apple's) streaming service, however, the songs are on their servers, and I am only paying for temporary access. I get to listen only to whatever version they want to send me at any point in time.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

> Star Wars: A New Hope? What is this? ;) Star Wars, and the later Empire Strikes Back were good films, well worth seeing. I still have the "making of" souvenir from the 1977 UK premiere. Then he started the endless pissing about reinventing everything. Last time I tried to watch one, some asshole had ruined it, and my memory of it, and that dog eared magazine souvenir looks quaintly inaccurate. Now I essentially hate the whole franchise, and actively avoid anything George Lucas. I think I've seen 5 of the 7. Or is it 8 now? Don't care or notice any more. :) Stargate, Star Trek and those 50's B movie sci-fi and countless others like "classic" low budget Dr Who have managed to last the decades far better... I actually still like those, and still watch new productions! As for cats, far better to accept they got entirely the worst spot on the anthropomorphising spectrum so even stills look weirdly off and the story telling failed, so it's a dud. Try again in ten years with a new approach and team...

dragonwriter 7y ago
> I think I've seen 5 of the 7. Or is it 8 now? 11 theatrical releases (not counting re-edits), unless I'm missing something. (Episodes 1-9, not in that order, plus two "A Star Wars Story" films.)
catalogia 7y ago
Technically some of Doctor Who has not survived, but that's for unrelated reasons (there simply aren't any known recordings of some episodes.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes
iso947 7y ago
> and my memory of it If you revisit something years later, you find your memory will differ. Clearly we know Star Wars is always updated, and other films have been too (ET comes to mind), but even films that haven’t been changed will have false memories — your mindset when you first watched it, stage of life, etc will affect how you remember and how you fill in the blanks There’s then the technical changes - speeding up a 24fps to 25fps (in Europe), or 3:2 pull down in the US, changes to colour space, changes to aspect ratio, all add to subtle changes on how you perceive a movie. Some people I sit that Froot Loops were Fruit Loops, that curious George had a tail (or didn’t?), that Mandela died in prison, etc. Memory is a strange thing, just revisiting a film you watched as a kid even if it’s identical will be able to “ruin your memory”
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  All true, and TV showing brings shortening, censorship and cutting or beeping a swear word (in the US), or violence (in the UK) etc. I grew up a little so I don't even hide any more when Patrick Troughton is about to be killed by Daleks! :) But I do like to revisit what it was, warts, ancient effects and all, rather than a moving target that keeps reinventing the wheel.
  - iso947 7y ago
    You never get the “as it was” though - you change. You get older, the characters you identify with change, the feelings change. The one thing I remember from watching “The Net” in the 90s was Sandra Bullock on the beach, as I was a hormonal teenager. I have no doubt there were other parts of the film. The emphasis will be different to my memory.

whywhywhywhy 7y ago

Wasn’t just Wolves either. There is at least one lyrical change on Famous and he also added the Saint Pablo track. Kept both copies of the album and version numbered them.

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