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The points you mention against biking to work in my opinion as someone that bikes to work don’t hold. The only problems are too big distances and cultural accep

The points you mention against biking to work in my opinion as someone that bikes to work don’t hold. The only problems are too big distances and cultural acceptance which would also lead to more infrastructure like showers at work.

aidenn0 7y ago
The people driving to work can't get showers installed, so I think gp's point holds.
heretoo 7y ago
Living in Melbourne, Australia, the real risk of catastrophic injury keeps me from cycling. The chance of being "doored" is very real, and the likelyhood of getting hit by a moving car is also very real. Most of my colleagues that cycle have been involved in these accidents. The city has bike lanes, which suddenly disappear, or require crossing moving traffic, just to go straight ahead, because the bike lane has now moved one car lane to the right. Along with a lack of training of drivers with regards to sharing the road with bikes, I wouldn't ever recommend that someone cycles in this city, even though many do. It would need the concerted effort from the entire population, similar to the Dutch population in the 70's or whenever they changed their bike road rules. See: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/cyclist-safety/car-doors-and-bike-riders https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/cyclis... It mentions 771 "doorings" over a 5 year period. The number is probably much higher, since many wouldn't get reported.
vjktyu 7y ago
The only problem with biking is that the land surface area is 2 dimensional and thus grows too slowly to accommodate everyone :/ but if someone buys me a reasonable place within biking distance then sure, I would sign a contract that obligates me to bike at least 75% of my work days (we can negotiate a different number) as long as I live at that place.
specialist 7y ago
FWIW, I weighed the risk of injury more as I got older. I live in a bike happy area. As in rows of bike stalls and people complain there still aren't enough. Three of my coworkers ended up in the ER, two of which were knocked unconscious. Many others have had spills and chills. It changed my behavior. Way more risk adverse. Only choose routes with lots of other cyclists (only thing which increases safety, from my reading). Totally avoid intersections with trucks. And so forth.

aidenn0 7y ago

The people driving to work can't get showers installed, so I think gp's point holds.

heretoo 7y ago

Living in Melbourne, Australia, the real risk of catastrophic injury keeps me from cycling. The chance of being "doored" is very real, and the likelyhood of getting hit by a moving car is also very real. Most of my colleagues that cycle have been involved in these accidents. The city has bike lanes, which suddenly disappear, or require crossing moving traffic, just to go straight ahead, because the bike lane has now moved one car lane to the right. Along with a lack of training of drivers with regards to sharing the road with bikes, I wouldn't ever recommend that someone cycles in this city, even though many do. It would need the concerted effort from the entire population, similar to the Dutch population in the 70's or whenever they changed their bike road rules. See: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/cyclist-safety/car-doors-and-bike-riders https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/cyclis... It mentions 771 "doorings" over a 5 year period. The number is probably much higher, since many wouldn't get reported.

vjktyu 7y ago

The only problem with biking is that the land surface area is 2 dimensional and thus grows too slowly to accommodate everyone :/ but if someone buys me a reasonable place within biking distance then sure, I would sign a contract that obligates me to bike at least 75% of my work days (we can negotiate a different number) as long as I live at that place.

specialist 7y ago

FWIW, I weighed the risk of injury more as I got older. I live in a bike happy area. As in rows of bike stalls and people complain there still aren't enough. Three of my coworkers ended up in the ER, two of which were knocked unconscious. Many others have had spills and chills. It changed my behavior. Way more risk adverse. Only choose routes with lots of other cyclists (only thing which increases safety, from my reading). Totally avoid intersections with trucks. And so forth.