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Unfortunately, this is just saying the US is more liberal than most 3rd world countries which is not very flattering.

rayiner 7y ago
The US got marriage equality around the same time as other European countries (in the last 10-15 years). Italy still doesn’t have same sex marriage. The US does pretty well in terms of LGBT acceptance compared to Europe: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/06/27/does-the-world-think-its-lgbt-citizens-are-real-nationals-just-8-percent-of-brits-say-otherwise https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/06/27/does-the-world-think-i.... On acceptance of immigrants and race the US is generally to the left of Europe. The notion of an official language is common in Europe and decried as racist in the US. The US was earlier in deploying laws against employment discrimination, and affirmative action than Europe. (France in particular categorically bans affirmative action.) Things like bans on Islamic head coverings are routine and widely supported in Europe, but are beyond the wildest dreams even if Bannon and Trump. In abortion, the US falls behind because it doesn’t have universal healthcare. But most states permit abortion much further into the pregnancy than almost anywhere in Europe. (Sweden at 18 weeks is on the high end. Many countries are at 12 weeks. The current statutory limit in Georgia is 22 weeks (a federal judge has blocked the 6 week heartbeat law).
- TomMckenny 7y ago
  Also in press freedom and other civil liberties it is easily comparable to European countries, which is fantastic. There are some social issues where the US remains conservative like attitudes toward nudity and sex as well as religiosity and church attendance and child punishment. There are more displays of nationalism like school children daily saying the pledge etc. More significant issues include the death penalty and mass incarceration. But in fiscal issues, the US is much more conservatives. Even the party on the "left" houses Bloomberg, Bezos and Soros. Consumer protection is unimaginably weak by European standards as are protections for employees. All the "liberal" media outlets have a center-right market focus. The WSJ is well to the right of Bloomberg Media and the Economist which themselves are firmly free market. Calls for nationalization of industries that Europeans long ago switched to non-profit are unheard of in the States. Even universal healthcare, which is universally supported by European parties and much of the third world is a non-starter for Republicans and under endless debate by Democrats. Government sponsored housing is no longer even discussed and structures are even demolished. Likewise support for adequate pensions as well as food and housing for the indigent: "Welfare reform" which was a reduction in the social safety net, was embraced by B Clinton who is considered by many in the US to be an extreme liberal.
  - rayiner 7y ago
    The agree that the US is more economically conservative than socially conservative than Europe. (The biggest difference is criminal justice, as you point out. We are far far right on criminal justice issues.) But I’d pick at a couple of specific examples. Social Security is actually on the more generous side compared to most European pension systems. (And attempts to partially privatize it, as has been done in Sweden, have failed.) I’d say that the US is to the right of most of Europe when it comes to free markets at the national level, but to the left at the state and local level. The US has no appetite for experimenting with markets for big ticket public services and utilities. The US has among the highest percentage of K-12 education being in public schools in the whole OECD. School vouchers are common in Europe. Many European cities have privately operated subway systems. No major US city does.
- mmariani 7y ago
  > Italy still doesn’t have same sex marriage. Not really. The opposite has been true for almost four years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Italy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unio...
  - skissane 7y ago
    A “separate but equal” institution (and not even fully equal at that) falls short of full equality. So the situation in Italy is still a lack of full marriage equality.

The US got marriage equality around the same time as other European countries (in the last 10-15 years). Italy still doesn’t have same sex marriage. The US does pretty well in terms of LGBT acceptance compared to Europe: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/06/27/does-the-world-think-its-lgbt-citizens-are-real-nationals-just-8-percent-of-brits-say-otherwise https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/06/27/does-the-world-think-i.... On acceptance of immigrants and race the US is generally to the left of Europe. The notion of an official language is common in Europe and decried as racist in the US. The US was earlier in deploying laws against employment discrimination, and affirmative action than Europe. (France in particular categorically bans affirmative action.) Things like bans on Islamic head coverings are routine and widely supported in Europe, but are beyond the wildest dreams even if Bannon and Trump. In abortion, the US falls behind because it doesn’t have universal healthcare. But most states permit abortion much further into the pregnancy than almost anywhere in Europe. (Sweden at 18 weeks is on the high end. Many countries are at 12 weeks. The current statutory limit in Georgia is 22 weeks (a federal judge has blocked the 6 week heartbeat law).

TomMckenny 7y ago
Also in press freedom and other civil liberties it is easily comparable to European countries, which is fantastic. There are some social issues where the US remains conservative like attitudes toward nudity and sex as well as religiosity and church attendance and child punishment. There are more displays of nationalism like school children daily saying the pledge etc. More significant issues include the death penalty and mass incarceration. But in fiscal issues, the US is much more conservatives. Even the party on the "left" houses Bloomberg, Bezos and Soros. Consumer protection is unimaginably weak by European standards as are protections for employees. All the "liberal" media outlets have a center-right market focus. The WSJ is well to the right of Bloomberg Media and the Economist which themselves are firmly free market. Calls for nationalization of industries that Europeans long ago switched to non-profit are unheard of in the States. Even universal healthcare, which is universally supported by European parties and much of the third world is a non-starter for Republicans and under endless debate by Democrats. Government sponsored housing is no longer even discussed and structures are even demolished. Likewise support for adequate pensions as well as food and housing for the indigent: "Welfare reform" which was a reduction in the social safety net, was embraced by B Clinton who is considered by many in the US to be an extreme liberal.
- rayiner 7y ago
  The agree that the US is more economically conservative than socially conservative than Europe. (The biggest difference is criminal justice, as you point out. We are far far right on criminal justice issues.) But I’d pick at a couple of specific examples. Social Security is actually on the more generous side compared to most European pension systems. (And attempts to partially privatize it, as has been done in Sweden, have failed.) I’d say that the US is to the right of most of Europe when it comes to free markets at the national level, but to the left at the state and local level. The US has no appetite for experimenting with markets for big ticket public services and utilities. The US has among the highest percentage of K-12 education being in public schools in the whole OECD. School vouchers are common in Europe. Many European cities have privately operated subway systems. No major US city does.
mmariani 7y ago
> Italy still doesn’t have same sex marriage. Not really. The opposite has been true for almost four years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Italy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unio...
- skissane 7y ago
  A “separate but equal” institution (and not even fully equal at that) falls short of full equality. So the situation in Italy is still a lack of full marriage equality.