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I see no problem with how the Times framed the story, and I’m no fan of the Times. If Mormons want to oppose same sex marriage and women in leadership, that’s

I see no problem with how the Times framed the story, and I’m no fan of the Times. If Mormons want to oppose same sex marriage and women in leadership, that’s up to them - but don’t get upset if it’s mentioned in your obituary when you’re literally the head of the church. The Times however is very, very uneven in how they handle this though. They will chide Mormons at any opportunity for sexism or homophobia, but refrain from treating Orthodox Jews or Muslims similarly.

neonate 7y ago
> don’t get upset if it’s mentioned The objection isn't that it was mentioned but that it became the entire story.
- fsh 7y ago
  Which is not true. The NYT article covers basically everything the blogger writes about.
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  - neonate 7y ago
    I didn't read the NYT article. If that's true, then the blogger's complaints would be less justified.
leftyted 7y ago
> If Mormons want to oppose same sex marriage and women in leadership, that’s up to them - but don’t get upset if it’s mentioned in your obituary when you’re literally the head of the church. I've been reading a book of Umberto Eco essays lately. I really like them. Eco manages to synthesize many different historical perspectives into some very general arguments about whichever complicated subject he's discussing. I think that's basically what the goal of an obituary should be. It should mention this person's opposition to same-sex marriage and the ordination of women. But it should also mention other things, some of which are outlined in this article. Out of all these different perspectives, something like the truth will emerge.
- beatgammit 7y ago
  Ideally cover significant events from each decade of his life. There's a lot of material there, and plenty of it has been very impactful. To ignore it speaks of laziness IMO.
woodruffw 7y ago
> They will chide Mormons at any opportunity for sexism or homophobia, but refrain from treating Orthodox Jews or Muslims similarly. For consideration: * The Times does pretty regularly address the intolerances of the Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish communities. See recent coverage over religious school funding, undervaccination, and harassment of women and cyclists in Brooklyn. Said communities tend to be concentrated in NY, and so the Times' coverage ends up in the NY section of the paper. * Mormons are a substantially larger and more homogeneous religious group than either Orthodox/Hasidic American Jews or American Muslims -- there are about 6.5 million American Mormons, the overwhelming majority of whom follow the main LDS church. By contrast, the Orthodox and Hasidic sects make up a minority of American Jews, and only about 3.5 million American Muslims (of all kinds). This doesn't serve as an excuse, only as an observation that intolerance among Mormons is uniformly attested and delivered from the top-down by the sole religious authority in the faith.

neonate 7y ago

> don’t get upset if it’s mentioned The objection isn't that it was mentioned but that it became the entire story.

fsh 7y ago
Which is not true. The NYT article covers basically everything the blogger writes about.
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- neonate 7y ago
  I didn't read the NYT article. If that's true, then the blogger's complaints would be less justified.

leftyted 7y ago

> If Mormons want to oppose same sex marriage and women in leadership, that’s up to them - but don’t get upset if it’s mentioned in your obituary when you’re literally the head of the church. I've been reading a book of Umberto Eco essays lately. I really like them. Eco manages to synthesize many different historical perspectives into some very general arguments about whichever complicated subject he's discussing. I think that's basically what the goal of an obituary should be. It should mention this person's opposition to same-sex marriage and the ordination of women. But it should also mention other things, some of which are outlined in this article. Out of all these different perspectives, something like the truth will emerge.

beatgammit 7y ago
Ideally cover significant events from each decade of his life. There's a lot of material there, and plenty of it has been very impactful. To ignore it speaks of laziness IMO.

woodruffw 7y ago

> They will chide Mormons at any opportunity for sexism or homophobia, but refrain from treating Orthodox Jews or Muslims similarly. For consideration: * The Times does pretty regularly address the intolerances of the Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish communities. See recent coverage over religious school funding, undervaccination, and harassment of women and cyclists in Brooklyn. Said communities tend to be concentrated in NY, and so the Times' coverage ends up in the NY section of the paper. * Mormons are a substantially larger and more homogeneous religious group than either Orthodox/Hasidic American Jews or American Muslims -- there are about 6.5 million American Mormons, the overwhelming majority of whom follow the main LDS church. By contrast, the Orthodox and Hasidic sects make up a minority of American Jews, and only about 3.5 million American Muslims (of all kinds). This doesn't serve as an excuse, only as an observation that intolerance among Mormons is uniformly attested and delivered from the top-down by the sole religious authority in the faith.