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I don’t understand why these are considered notable. A building is a lot more than simply the concrete. In fact I would say that pouring the concrete is not tha

I don’t understand why these are considered notable. A building is a lot more than simply the concrete. In fact I would say that pouring the concrete is not that difficult or time-consuming. There’s a lot of work that comes before, such as excavation and compaction and grading. There’s a lot more work comes after to rough in plumbing, electrical, HVAC, etc. And then of course the finishing. So what is the net benefit of this process?

thdrdt 7y ago
As you can read in the article this is mostly a test case for new building methods. It's new, it will probably be widely used in the future so it is notable.
monkmartinez 7y ago
If you could own a $10000 dollar machine where you add concrete and a sd-card... then it printed a new room for your house, wouldn't that be revolutionary? I don't know how much these machines will cost in the future, but I do know that I would love to have one. Construction is very expensive even for houses that are basically sticks and stucco. I would like to buy some land and print a house with modules for plumbing, electrical, etc. This enables a complete rethink of how we currently build homes.
- derefr 7y ago
  I would note that this “machine” is 10% extrusion apparatus, and 90% a CNC crane. CNC + crane = very expensive (since you can’t just retrofit a regular crane; regular cranes efficiently rely on momentum, whereas this thing presumably needs to step linearly into place.) You could own the extrusion setup, but I don’t think you’d enjoy owning the crane. Which is not to say you couldn’t get a hold of one. I’d guess that, when the tech matures, you’d be able to rent one from your local maker-space :)
- joshuaheard 7y ago
  For $10,000 you could easily hire someone to build a cement cinder block building. The high costs come from the other trades: electrical, plumbing, HVAC. Making all of these pieces modular would be revolutionary. I think a prefab 4' x 8' section of steel frame and foam wall that could be bolted together with channels for interconnecting utilities would make truly plug-and-play style housing.
- paleontocracy 7y ago
  No. In that sense, you can already just give a guy at the Home Depot $500 to “add a new room to your house”. Are you living the revolution? If construction is labor-intensive and expensive, stick framing is the cheapest and easiest part. If you come up with an automated solution that replaces the need for expensive interior finishing processes, you’ll have a huge market... finishing out existing stick-framed construction. No one selling houses wants this. If you want to use modern technology to mass-produce homes with less labor, that’s called prefabricated construction and it’s a process that’s only about a thousand years old. Someday robots will do it all automatically on-site but we’re no where near doing that in the foreseeable future, in part because the demands on houses are predictably rising at pace with the capabilities of robots. I don’t mean to be snide, but this is a little like dropping by a homebuilding forum and they’re all talking about how some day soon desktop PCB fabrication is going to replace all of Silicon Valley, because they don’t quite know the difference between a chip and a circuit board. It’s just embarrassing, y’all.
  - baybal2 7y ago
    > If you come up with an automated solution that replaces the need for expensive interior finishing processes There is already a large panel prefab process, which is highly automated, including finishing, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere near "revolutionising" the industry. The thing is, in North America the preference for single family houses is so strong that making people care about extra $100k is really hard.
- rasz 7y ago
  You cant even get a decent forklift for under $10K. Try $100K if said machine would be manufactured in volume, like medium sized excavators are today.
derefr 7y ago
Although the work that comes before would certainly continue to be a separate process (though theoretically possible to automate more than we’re currently doing), the “part that comes after” could become something other robots reach in and do during, with modular lengths of wiring/pipework/venting placed by other robot arms in between the layers of concrete being added, their placement being part of the command-stream of the 3D model being printed. I would say 80-90% of the in-wall and through-wall work could be theoretically automated here, leaving only the fiddly surface work (faceplates, connecting fixtures) to human hands. It’s already done that way for the wall components of pre-fab homes; it just needs to be “generalized”!
timwaagh 7y ago
Patents. Profit, hopefully, somewhere in the distant future. If you manage to make part of the process cheaper the real estate developers make more money and/or government can charge more for a permit.

thdrdt 7y ago

As you can read in the article this is mostly a test case for new building methods. It's new, it will probably be widely used in the future so it is notable.

monkmartinez 7y ago

If you could own a $10000 dollar machine where you add concrete and a sd-card... then it printed a new room for your house, wouldn't that be revolutionary? I don't know how much these machines will cost in the future, but I do know that I would love to have one. Construction is very expensive even for houses that are basically sticks and stucco. I would like to buy some land and print a house with modules for plumbing, electrical, etc. This enables a complete rethink of how we currently build homes.

derefr 7y ago
I would note that this “machine” is 10% extrusion apparatus, and 90% a CNC crane. CNC + crane = very expensive (since you can’t just retrofit a regular crane; regular cranes efficiently rely on momentum, whereas this thing presumably needs to step linearly into place.) You could own the extrusion setup, but I don’t think you’d enjoy owning the crane. Which is not to say you couldn’t get a hold of one. I’d guess that, when the tech matures, you’d be able to rent one from your local maker-space :)
joshuaheard 7y ago
For $10,000 you could easily hire someone to build a cement cinder block building. The high costs come from the other trades: electrical, plumbing, HVAC. Making all of these pieces modular would be revolutionary. I think a prefab 4' x 8' section of steel frame and foam wall that could be bolted together with channels for interconnecting utilities would make truly plug-and-play style housing.
paleontocracy 7y ago
No. In that sense, you can already just give a guy at the Home Depot $500 to “add a new room to your house”. Are you living the revolution? If construction is labor-intensive and expensive, stick framing is the cheapest and easiest part. If you come up with an automated solution that replaces the need for expensive interior finishing processes, you’ll have a huge market... finishing out existing stick-framed construction. No one selling houses wants this. If you want to use modern technology to mass-produce homes with less labor, that’s called prefabricated construction and it’s a process that’s only about a thousand years old. Someday robots will do it all automatically on-site but we’re no where near doing that in the foreseeable future, in part because the demands on houses are predictably rising at pace with the capabilities of robots. I don’t mean to be snide, but this is a little like dropping by a homebuilding forum and they’re all talking about how some day soon desktop PCB fabrication is going to replace all of Silicon Valley, because they don’t quite know the difference between a chip and a circuit board. It’s just embarrassing, y’all.
- baybal2 7y ago
  > If you come up with an automated solution that replaces the need for expensive interior finishing processes There is already a large panel prefab process, which is highly automated, including finishing, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere near "revolutionising" the industry. The thing is, in North America the preference for single family houses is so strong that making people care about extra $100k is really hard.
rasz 7y ago
You cant even get a decent forklift for under $10K. Try $100K if said machine would be manufactured in volume, like medium sized excavators are today.

derefr 7y ago

Although the work that comes before would certainly continue to be a separate process (though theoretically possible to automate more than we’re currently doing), the “part that comes after” could become something other robots reach in and do during, with modular lengths of wiring/pipework/venting placed by other robot arms in between the layers of concrete being added, their placement being part of the command-stream of the 3D model being printed. I would say 80-90% of the in-wall and through-wall work could be theoretically automated here, leaving only the fiddly surface work (faceplates, connecting fixtures) to human hands. It’s already done that way for the wall components of pre-fab homes; it just needs to be “generalized”!

timwaagh 7y ago

Patents. Profit, hopefully, somewhere in the distant future. If you manage to make part of the process cheaper the real estate developers make more money and/or government can charge more for a permit.