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EU is just a yet another set of deals. Switzerland is not even a EU member - it has a yet another set of deals. There are reasons for such deals as with Blue ca

by zerr 7y ago

EU is just a yet another set of deals. Switzerland is not even a EU member - it has a yet another set of deals. There are reasons for such deals as with Blue card deals or similar. Preferring one deal over another just because of nationality or race is wrong.

ChuckNorris89 7y ago
Hiring restrictions to the EU exclusively have nothing to do with race but they do with nationality and there's nothing wrong with that. As an EU national and EU taxpayer for decades, I expect to be a first class citizen of my region and the governing bodies to prioritize my well being first as much as I expect the US or Chinese or Indian governments to prioritize the well being of thier citizens first as opposed to mine. Is it wrong if I can't get a work visa for SV? Or China? Or India?
- zerr 7y ago
  > Is it a problem of race/nationality It is, when you're saying that it is fine for Romanians or Polish to dump the market, but not Indians.
  - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
    You see, now you're making it a problem of nationality. EU membership allows free movement of capital, goods and workforce between EU states with equal rights. Singling out Romania and Poland means you have a personal problem with these nationalities. Don't like it? Vote your country leaving the EU. Oh, and FYI, Romanian tech salaries are some of the highest in EU where new grads can earn €2k NET due to a hot market and low taxes so your point about wage dumping doesn't hold.
    - negamax 7y ago
      That's still not good enough as compared to Zurich or Amsterdam. Or many other cities. Why stop at tech. Many Romanians and other poor EU immigrants move across Europe for all kind of jobs. I don't think you have thought this through and not realizing or outright ignoring xenophobia in your arguments.
      - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
        Yeah, Zurich or Amsterdam pay more but have you thought about comparing the local taxes and COL before you made the argument? Insert another coin and try again. €2k NET monthly in Poland or Romania as a new grad means you can buy a house immediately. How many houses can one newgrad buy in Zurich or Amsterdam? >Many Romanians and other poor EU immigrants move across Europe for all kind of jobs. And? What's wrong with that? It's part and parcel of EU membership. Western companies can also come to the East and straight up exploit the population. Don't like it? Vote to leave the EU?
- d44m 7y ago
  Any foreigner working in the EU also has to pay taxes, just like a citizen.
blub 7y ago
This is the way the world works, each country prioritizes the well-being of its own citizens. There is no other model that is known to work. The burden of proof is on those proposing unlimited freedom of movement to show that their model would work just as well or better. As an EU citizen I'm well aware that the EU is full of inter-regional conflicts and xenophobia. Currently there's a very concerning shift to the political right, to protectionism and nationalism, partly fueled by the long-standing migration-related problems and more recent refugee "crisis". Inviting even more people over from outside the EU would be like pouring fuel on the fire. I can't imagine what the politicians are thinking here... they can barely keep things under control as it is.

by zerr 7y ago

ChuckNorris89 7y ago

Hiring restrictions to the EU exclusively have nothing to do with race but they do with nationality and there's nothing wrong with that. As an EU national and EU taxpayer for decades, I expect to be a first class citizen of my region and the governing bodies to prioritize my well being first as much as I expect the US or Chinese or Indian governments to prioritize the well being of thier citizens first as opposed to mine. Is it wrong if I can't get a work visa for SV? Or China? Or India?

zerr 7y ago
> Is it a problem of race/nationality It is, when you're saying that it is fine for Romanians or Polish to dump the market, but not Indians.
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago
  You see, now you're making it a problem of nationality. EU membership allows free movement of capital, goods and workforce between EU states with equal rights. Singling out Romania and Poland means you have a personal problem with these nationalities. Don't like it? Vote your country leaving the EU. Oh, and FYI, Romanian tech salaries are some of the highest in EU where new grads can earn €2k NET due to a hot market and low taxes so your point about wage dumping doesn't hold.
  - negamax 7y ago
    That's still not good enough as compared to Zurich or Amsterdam. Or many other cities. Why stop at tech. Many Romanians and other poor EU immigrants move across Europe for all kind of jobs. I don't think you have thought this through and not realizing or outright ignoring xenophobia in your arguments.
    - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
      Yeah, Zurich or Amsterdam pay more but have you thought about comparing the local taxes and COL before you made the argument? Insert another coin and try again. €2k NET monthly in Poland or Romania as a new grad means you can buy a house immediately. How many houses can one newgrad buy in Zurich or Amsterdam? >Many Romanians and other poor EU immigrants move across Europe for all kind of jobs. And? What's wrong with that? It's part and parcel of EU membership. Western companies can also come to the East and straight up exploit the population. Don't like it? Vote to leave the EU?
d44m 7y ago
Any foreigner working in the EU also has to pay taxes, just like a citizen.

blub 7y ago

This is the way the world works, each country prioritizes the well-being of its own citizens. There is no other model that is known to work. The burden of proof is on those proposing unlimited freedom of movement to show that their model would work just as well or better. As an EU citizen I'm well aware that the EU is full of inter-regional conflicts and xenophobia. Currently there's a very concerning shift to the political right, to protectionism and nationalism, partly fueled by the long-standing migration-related problems and more recent refugee "crisis". Inviting even more people over from outside the EU would be like pouring fuel on the fire. I can't imagine what the politicians are thinking here... they can barely keep things under control as it is.