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I agree. I don't think we should be importing any workers. We have 330 million people and that should be plenty. Importing workers disincentivizes US elites fro

I agree. I don't think we should be importing any workers. We have 330 million people and that should be plenty. Importing workers disincentivizes US elites from developing our own local work force. And importing workers hurts the nation that is losing workers. Shouldn't all the indian tech workers be used in india to help india develop? Isn't it morally wrong for a wealthy nation like the US ( or wealthy political entity like the EU ) to leech indian workers since it hurts india? I keep hearing that "brain drain" is a bad thing by the media. And yet, the media celebrates brain drain when it comes to india, china, etc. Why? And if I think the US has enough people to fill its workforce needs, then it applies even more to the EU since the EU has 200 million more people in a much smaller space. Instead of bringing in foreign workers, shouldn't the EU be asking why it can't fill the jobs from 500+ million people? Don't you think 500 million people is a big enough pool from which to draw your workforce?

tolqen 7y ago
you've got some advanced lump of labour nonsense going on here
d44m 7y ago
Going by your logic, EU will have to build their own Coca Cola, Pepsi, Facebook, Google, and what not. And China or India is not going to buy any of your products. Is this how you want it to be? Globalization predicates that capital and goods are procured from places where they are readily available. It is what the post-WWII world was built on. Global trade may break apart to some extant due to the nationalism resurge, but economies of scale is real and smart businesses will leverage that.
- pnako 7y ago
  In Europe we have Coca Cola, Pepsi, Facebook and Google without having half of their staff working and living there. This is the traditional way of doing business: we put stuff on big ships and send them in other countries. You're arguing for migration of people / labor, which is a different thing. And I don't quite see why we need knowledge workers to move in particular places. Asians have done extremely well with semiconductors, for example. We did not need to relocate 200,000 Taiwanese workers in Europe, but we can still buy their chips.
nine_zeros 7y ago
Wow, 330 million cannot work today. I would recommend finding out how many adult individuals are there in the labor force. Do the same for EU. You'll soon realize there just aren't enough to support so many industries. I can speak for the US about how labor shortage affects every one. US has the craziest doctor residency programs. This ultimately causes a massive massive shortage of doctors. This affects society in unbelievable ways. There are so many people who could've done so much more, but can't do so because they need specialized treatment. The doctors for these aren't available quickly enough. By the time doctors are available and treatment is done, these folks are defeated and depleted mentally and financially. How did the artificial shortage work out? Same applies for a lot of industries. If you want to work in ALL the industries, you need the best in ALL the industries and 500 million (which is aging rapidly) won't cut it at all. Especially when you are competing with China.
- candiodari 7y ago
  > How did the artificial shortage work out? You neglected to specify WHO it works out for: 1) the folks getting depleted. 2) the (doctors) who decide on the doctor residency programs and also reap the income of financially depleting folks? Now truth be told, there is a quality argument to be made here. 2) is the only thing guaranteeing that IF you do get treatment, it is at an acceptable standard. They ALSO use it for personal wealth of course, but also for quality. And this is medical care, bad quality destroys more lives and causes more misery than the author of Doom can imagine. Just take that time when they accidentally (really) disfigured ~50000 babies as an example. Yes really, accidentally. As in "oops, chirality really matters".
  - nine_zeros 7y ago
    Are you trying to say that due to the selective nature of medicine, all doctors are already rockstars? Or Are you trying to say that all doctors need to he neurosurgeon level smart? Either way is wrong. Doctors can be a spectrum of quality. The more the doctors for routine checkups and treatments, more and more rockstars doctors can be freed to do rockstar activities. The current shortage may be great economically for current doctors, but it sucks for you, I, kids and everyone that needs those services

tolqen 7y ago

you've got some advanced lump of labour nonsense going on here

d44m 7y ago

Going by your logic, EU will have to build their own Coca Cola, Pepsi, Facebook, Google, and what not. And China or India is not going to buy any of your products. Is this how you want it to be? Globalization predicates that capital and goods are procured from places where they are readily available. It is what the post-WWII world was built on. Global trade may break apart to some extant due to the nationalism resurge, but economies of scale is real and smart businesses will leverage that.

pnako 7y ago
In Europe we have Coca Cola, Pepsi, Facebook and Google without having half of their staff working and living there. This is the traditional way of doing business: we put stuff on big ships and send them in other countries. You're arguing for migration of people / labor, which is a different thing. And I don't quite see why we need knowledge workers to move in particular places. Asians have done extremely well with semiconductors, for example. We did not need to relocate 200,000 Taiwanese workers in Europe, but we can still buy their chips.

nine_zeros 7y ago

Wow, 330 million cannot work today. I would recommend finding out how many adult individuals are there in the labor force. Do the same for EU. You'll soon realize there just aren't enough to support so many industries. I can speak for the US about how labor shortage affects every one. US has the craziest doctor residency programs. This ultimately causes a massive massive shortage of doctors. This affects society in unbelievable ways. There are so many people who could've done so much more, but can't do so because they need specialized treatment. The doctors for these aren't available quickly enough. By the time doctors are available and treatment is done, these folks are defeated and depleted mentally and financially. How did the artificial shortage work out? Same applies for a lot of industries. If you want to work in ALL the industries, you need the best in ALL the industries and 500 million (which is aging rapidly) won't cut it at all. Especially when you are competing with China.

candiodari 7y ago
> How did the artificial shortage work out? You neglected to specify WHO it works out for: 1) the folks getting depleted. 2) the (doctors) who decide on the doctor residency programs and also reap the income of financially depleting folks? Now truth be told, there is a quality argument to be made here. 2) is the only thing guaranteeing that IF you do get treatment, it is at an acceptable standard. They ALSO use it for personal wealth of course, but also for quality. And this is medical care, bad quality destroys more lives and causes more misery than the author of Doom can imagine. Just take that time when they accidentally (really) disfigured ~50000 babies as an example. Yes really, accidentally. As in "oops, chirality really matters".
- nine_zeros 7y ago
  Are you trying to say that due to the selective nature of medicine, all doctors are already rockstars? Or Are you trying to say that all doctors need to he neurosurgeon level smart? Either way is wrong. Doctors can be a spectrum of quality. The more the doctors for routine checkups and treatments, more and more rockstars doctors can be freed to do rockstar activities. The current shortage may be great economically for current doctors, but it sucks for you, I, kids and everyone that needs those services