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How about requiring companies to produce non-nicotine versions of equal quality? The addictive part is optional, unlike with sugar for example. Video games and

How about requiring companies to produce non-nicotine versions of equal quality? The addictive part is optional, unlike with sugar for example. Video games and Facebook are more of a grey area but removing the addictive elements is more complex to say the least. Let's remove it when we literally know it's one non-essential ingredient.

AmericanChopper 7y ago
Where did you get the idea from that you or anybody else should get to make people’s decisions for them? With smoking, the government decided that the affects were so grievously harmful that they should put serious restrictions in place regulating their sale. You can agree with that or not, but at least there’s some logic to it. Nicotine is not the harmful part of the cigarette, and unless some new information comes to light, vaping isn’t anywhere as harmful as smoking. Where’s your justification for trying to remove people freedom to do it? Because following your line of reasoning to it’s logical conclusion, we’d end up with government mandated lifestyles.
- adjkant 7y ago
  > Where did you get the idea from that you or anybody else should get to make people’s decisions for them? Where did you get the idea that I made anyone else's decision? I am literally just asking for the option of vaping without nicotine to exist. My theory is only that many people (especially kids without a history of smoking) would choose vaping without nicotine on their own if they had the option. Juul et al know that would drastically shrink their revenue, so they, the profit seeking company they are, made sure their product had an addictive substance in it, and then marketed it to people not already exposed to the addiction. Requiring them to make an equal product without nicotine is at worst market regulation that basically all consumable products go through and at best a public safety mandate.
  - antpol 7y ago
    Juul is making the vapor device though. The user is free to charge it with whatever liquid he/she desires
    - adjkant 7y ago
      Availability is key though. Juul brand pods are simply the default, and for people on here we should know the power of sane defaults. Especially when we are talking underage users who are not really able to take advantage of the full market. I did some googling and even promising links advertising no nicotine alternatives didn't even seem to have any in stock to order. Also noticed some disturbing trends with hiding the nicotine levels by mixing grams and percentage strengths and referring to it as "nic" which the skeptic in me says this is to divert attention from it being nicotine and people doing research on its addictive properties for those young enough not to know from anti-smoking campaigns. Edit: Did a bit more digging and found some, but still likely harder to get if under 21.

AmericanChopper 7y ago

Where did you get the idea from that you or anybody else should get to make people’s decisions for them? With smoking, the government decided that the affects were so grievously harmful that they should put serious restrictions in place regulating their sale. You can agree with that or not, but at least there’s some logic to it. Nicotine is not the harmful part of the cigarette, and unless some new information comes to light, vaping isn’t anywhere as harmful as smoking. Where’s your justification for trying to remove people freedom to do it? Because following your line of reasoning to it’s logical conclusion, we’d end up with government mandated lifestyles.

adjkant 7y ago
> Where did you get the idea from that you or anybody else should get to make people’s decisions for them? Where did you get the idea that I made anyone else's decision? I am literally just asking for the option of vaping without nicotine to exist. My theory is only that many people (especially kids without a history of smoking) would choose vaping without nicotine on their own if they had the option. Juul et al know that would drastically shrink their revenue, so they, the profit seeking company they are, made sure their product had an addictive substance in it, and then marketed it to people not already exposed to the addiction. Requiring them to make an equal product without nicotine is at worst market regulation that basically all consumable products go through and at best a public safety mandate.
- antpol 7y ago
  Juul is making the vapor device though. The user is free to charge it with whatever liquid he/she desires
  - adjkant 7y ago
    Availability is key though. Juul brand pods are simply the default, and for people on here we should know the power of sane defaults. Especially when we are talking underage users who are not really able to take advantage of the full market. I did some googling and even promising links advertising no nicotine alternatives didn't even seem to have any in stock to order. Also noticed some disturbing trends with hiding the nicotine levels by mixing grams and percentage strengths and referring to it as "nic" which the skeptic in me says this is to divert attention from it being nicotine and people doing research on its addictive properties for those young enough not to know from anti-smoking campaigns. Edit: Did a bit more digging and found some, but still likely harder to get if under 21.