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I think the flaw in that flow is that no one cares about nicotine, they just want vaping. As long as vaping without nicotine exists, there's no reason to go aft

I think the flaw in that flow is that no one cares about nicotine, they just want vaping. As long as vaping without nicotine exists, there's no reason to go after the other version. Unless you're already addicted, and in that case, I'd say let's get them the prescription as well.

lnanek2 7y ago
> As long as vaping without nicotine exists, there's no reason to go after the other version. That's not true. I find nicotine quite useful for hackathons and the like where I don't want to sleep, but also don't want to visit the restroom as often as red bull or other caffeine options would make me.
- adjkant 7y ago
  That's an active choice for a specific use case, mind you one that's not healthy to have regularly. If people want nicotine, let's sell its on its own. There is literally no reason to package it into vaping unless you're coming from smoking or are simply trying to hook your customers.
- EdwardDiego 7y ago
  You may be interested in methamphetamine then... ...personally I'd be worried if I couldn't code without a drug. And yes, I include caffeine in that. However, nicotine is far, far, far more addictive than caffeine, so it really is a different ball game.
barry-cotter 7y ago
Yeah, and I smoked for more than a decade for the great taste and flavor. People vape for nicotine. It’s habit forming, pleasant, either compatible with or actively helpful for normal social and working. Like caffeine. People say they don’t drink tea or coffee for caffeine but there might be one person who drinks decaf or no caffeine tea or coffee with the regularity of all the addicts who know perfectly well that they drink it most every day and feel crap if they don’t.
- adjkant 7y ago
  If you don't get hooked to start, no habit forming needed. Isn't the point to stop the cycle? You also have to remember that these are teens as young as 9th grade that are doing it for social reasons. Let them play around with some flavored vapor (which seems safe so far, needing more regulation) and walk away without an addition.
- derefr 7y ago
  One thing I don't understand about caffeine addicts is why they don't just separate out "caffeinated drinks" into their components: "caffeine" and "drinks." You don't have to get your caffeine one sip at a time. Take a caffeine pill in the morning, then drink whatever you like. (And then you won't be staining your teeth or dehydrating your gastrointestinal mucosal lining by constantly exposing it to a diuretic, either!)
lovehashbrowns 7y ago
Nicotine is a stimulant, so some people enjoy it. Nicotine by itself isn't really too much of a health concern from my understanding, especially when compared to alcohol. So I really don't get why there's such a fuss about banning vaping entirely, or putting it on a prescription-only state.
- EdwardDiego 7y ago
  I am opposed to open slather nicotine vaping because it's literally just selling a product that has the brilliant business aspect of being horribly addictive.

lnanek2 7y ago

> As long as vaping without nicotine exists, there's no reason to go after the other version. That's not true. I find nicotine quite useful for hackathons and the like where I don't want to sleep, but also don't want to visit the restroom as often as red bull or other caffeine options would make me.

adjkant 7y ago
That's an active choice for a specific use case, mind you one that's not healthy to have regularly. If people want nicotine, let's sell its on its own. There is literally no reason to package it into vaping unless you're coming from smoking or are simply trying to hook your customers.
EdwardDiego 7y ago
You may be interested in methamphetamine then... ...personally I'd be worried if I couldn't code without a drug. And yes, I include caffeine in that. However, nicotine is far, far, far more addictive than caffeine, so it really is a different ball game.

barry-cotter 7y ago

Yeah, and I smoked for more than a decade for the great taste and flavor. People vape for nicotine. It’s habit forming, pleasant, either compatible with or actively helpful for normal social and working. Like caffeine. People say they don’t drink tea or coffee for caffeine but there might be one person who drinks decaf or no caffeine tea or coffee with the regularity of all the addicts who know perfectly well that they drink it most every day and feel crap if they don’t.

adjkant 7y ago
If you don't get hooked to start, no habit forming needed. Isn't the point to stop the cycle? You also have to remember that these are teens as young as 9th grade that are doing it for social reasons. Let them play around with some flavored vapor (which seems safe so far, needing more regulation) and walk away without an addition.
derefr 7y ago
One thing I don't understand about caffeine addicts is why they don't just separate out "caffeinated drinks" into their components: "caffeine" and "drinks." You don't have to get your caffeine one sip at a time. Take a caffeine pill in the morning, then drink whatever you like. (And then you won't be staining your teeth or dehydrating your gastrointestinal mucosal lining by constantly exposing it to a diuretic, either!)

lovehashbrowns 7y ago

Nicotine is a stimulant, so some people enjoy it. Nicotine by itself isn't really too much of a health concern from my understanding, especially when compared to alcohol. So I really don't get why there's such a fuss about banning vaping entirely, or putting it on a prescription-only state.

EdwardDiego 7y ago
I am opposed to open slather nicotine vaping because it's literally just selling a product that has the brilliant business aspect of being horribly addictive.