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> how much of the plagiarism is to be expected when you're an academic Last I checked academics have the same rights under copyright as the rest of us.

dehrmann 7y ago
IANAL, but it's complicated because this was(?) produced as part of her employment by Stanford, so arguably Juul took Stanford's work. Stanford is private, it can do what it wants, but what about public universities? Should the public own the IP they fund? IP created by public employees in the US are often released into the public domain. What if a professor from a private school got a government grant? I'm not sure how settled any of this is legally.
- geofft 7y ago
  Not just "released" - works created by federal officers and employees cannot be copyrighted in the first place. But public universities are run by states/territories/etc., not by the federal government, and there's no such restriction on state governments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_works_by_subnational_governments_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_works_by_s... Another interesting case: works done by government contractors are eligible for copyright protection, and the copyright can be transferred to the government, which is, I think, how parts of OpenStack can be copyrighted by NASA. By that argument, professors (or anyone else) with government grants should definitely be able to copyright their work and keep copyright. There's certainly an increasingly-popular argument that publicly-funded research work should be publicly accessible / open access, but there's no law or even norm about it yet.
  - dehrmann 7y ago
    > There's certainly an increasingly-popular argument that publicly-funded research work should be publicly accessible JSTOR. Because you should pay for it twice.
- antpol 7y ago
  As far as I know University of California system makes a good revenue on the IP they created

dehrmann 7y ago

IANAL, but it's complicated because this was(?) produced as part of her employment by Stanford, so arguably Juul took Stanford's work. Stanford is private, it can do what it wants, but what about public universities? Should the public own the IP they fund? IP created by public employees in the US are often released into the public domain. What if a professor from a private school got a government grant? I'm not sure how settled any of this is legally.

geofft 7y ago
Not just "released" - works created by federal officers and employees cannot be copyrighted in the first place. But public universities are run by states/territories/etc., not by the federal government, and there's no such restriction on state governments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_works_by_subnational_governments_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_works_by_s... Another interesting case: works done by government contractors are eligible for copyright protection, and the copyright can be transferred to the government, which is, I think, how parts of OpenStack can be copyrighted by NASA. By that argument, professors (or anyone else) with government grants should definitely be able to copyright their work and keep copyright. There's certainly an increasingly-popular argument that publicly-funded research work should be publicly accessible / open access, but there's no law or even norm about it yet.
- dehrmann 7y ago
  > There's certainly an increasingly-popular argument that publicly-funded research work should be publicly accessible JSTOR. Because you should pay for it twice.
antpol 7y ago
As far as I know University of California system makes a good revenue on the IP they created