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In 50 years we will look back on Juuls the same way we look back on cigarettes today.

by WilliamEdward 7y ago

zamfi 7y ago
50? I hope, for everyone’s sake, that it’s closer to 5.
- barrkel 7y ago
  I'd be surprised, since it appears that vitamin E in grey market THC pods has been the cause of the health issues, and aside from that vaping is substantially less harmful than cigarettes (but not risk free).
  - taurath 7y ago
    Juuls in particular give you about 3x more nicotine per puff than a cigarette, and they marketed directly to kids via free handouts at concerts. Juul is the thing that isn’t about getting you off cigarettes, it’s getting you on even more nicotine so it’s even harder to stop.
    - taurath 7y ago
      I should also note that they go to fairly great lengths to muddy the exact amount in comparison to a cigarette. Most of the copy on the internet about the amount is a direct quote from Juul (1 pod - 1 pack).
ericpauley 7y ago
Any specific reasoning here? My understanding is that virtually all recent vaping injuries were caused by grey-market oil-soluble (e.g. THC) products, not from water-soluble nicotine products. Do you have data/studies suggesting the claimed extreme danger of vaping commercially available nicotine products (especially considering their obvious use as smoking cessation aids)?
- catalogia 7y ago
  For peddling addictions to children.
- on_and_off 7y ago
  They aggressively market kids, making all their spiel about caring about reducing cancer deaths completely bullshit (as if there was ever any doubt). Sadly vaping becoming trendy among kids has had the consequence of deleting a lot of the progress made in underage smoking. Because yes, after starting with vaping, kids are way more likely to move on to cigarettes afterwards. What makes me really mad is that it does not seem like it would have been extremely hard to do not market to kids. That's an extremely low bar and that's already too much for scummy companies like juul.
- WilliamEdward 7y ago
  It's an observation based on addiction to nicotine (especially in children) and not the direct health risks, so i can see why i confused you, sorry.
  - s1artibartfast 7y ago
    Would you say the same of candy, alcohol, or videogames?
    - WilliamEdward 7y ago
      Yes absolutely, but the degree to which these are addictive is not the same for each, so how much action you take towards them must be on a case by case basis.
refurb 7y ago
I wish we were taking a much more harm-reduction focus like they are in the UK. From the NHS website... Leading health organisations including the Royal College of General Practitioners, British Medical Association and Cancer Research UK agree that e-cigarettes are far less harmful than smoking. Based on the currently available evidence, Public Health England and the Royal College of Physicians estimate they are at least 95% less harmful.
- Clubber 7y ago
  Yes, seems the UK is the only sane government on this. The US has gone absolutely hysterical on the subject. Ban is our only tool, and everything is a nail. Think of the fucking children, for GOD's sake! Puritanical roots probably has something to do with it. When I was a child, Reagan kicked off the drug war into high gear to protect me. Millions incarcerated, even more families ruined. I wish he hadn't. We were hysterical then too.
  - apta 7y ago
    Money, greed, and ignorance are at play here. If they truly "cared about the children", they'd ban smoking altogether.
- metaphor 7y ago
  The methods of the NHS are not without its fair share of public criticism: https://observer.com/2019/10/vape-crisis-public-health-research-misleading/ https://observer.com/2019/10/vape-crisis-public-health-resea...
  - refurb 7y ago
    Can you point to where that’s stated in your article? It basically just talks about how hard it is to find a definitive study since there are so many different products.
- deleted 7y ago
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Clubber 7y ago
Or maybe we'll look at it like the Polio vaccine.

In 50 years we will look back on Juuls the same way we look back on cigarettes today.

zamfi 7y ago

50? I hope, for everyone’s sake, that it’s closer to 5.

barrkel 7y ago
I'd be surprised, since it appears that vitamin E in grey market THC pods has been the cause of the health issues, and aside from that vaping is substantially less harmful than cigarettes (but not risk free).
- taurath 7y ago
  Juuls in particular give you about 3x more nicotine per puff than a cigarette, and they marketed directly to kids via free handouts at concerts. Juul is the thing that isn’t about getting you off cigarettes, it’s getting you on even more nicotine so it’s even harder to stop.
  - taurath 7y ago
    I should also note that they go to fairly great lengths to muddy the exact amount in comparison to a cigarette. Most of the copy on the internet about the amount is a direct quote from Juul (1 pod - 1 pack).

ericpauley 7y ago

Any specific reasoning here? My understanding is that virtually all recent vaping injuries were caused by grey-market oil-soluble (e.g. THC) products, not from water-soluble nicotine products. Do you have data/studies suggesting the claimed extreme danger of vaping commercially available nicotine products (especially considering their obvious use as smoking cessation aids)?

catalogia 7y ago
For peddling addictions to children.
on_and_off 7y ago
They aggressively market kids, making all their spiel about caring about reducing cancer deaths completely bullshit (as if there was ever any doubt). Sadly vaping becoming trendy among kids has had the consequence of deleting a lot of the progress made in underage smoking. Because yes, after starting with vaping, kids are way more likely to move on to cigarettes afterwards. What makes me really mad is that it does not seem like it would have been extremely hard to do not market to kids. That's an extremely low bar and that's already too much for scummy companies like juul.
WilliamEdward 7y ago
It's an observation based on addiction to nicotine (especially in children) and not the direct health risks, so i can see why i confused you, sorry.
- s1artibartfast 7y ago
  Would you say the same of candy, alcohol, or videogames?
  - WilliamEdward 7y ago
    Yes absolutely, but the degree to which these are addictive is not the same for each, so how much action you take towards them must be on a case by case basis.

refurb 7y ago

I wish we were taking a much more harm-reduction focus like they are in the UK. From the NHS website... Leading health organisations including the Royal College of General Practitioners, British Medical Association and Cancer Research UK agree that e-cigarettes are far less harmful than smoking. Based on the currently available evidence, Public Health England and the Royal College of Physicians estimate they are at least 95% less harmful.

Clubber 7y ago
Yes, seems the UK is the only sane government on this. The US has gone absolutely hysterical on the subject. Ban is our only tool, and everything is a nail. Think of the fucking children, for GOD's sake! Puritanical roots probably has something to do with it. When I was a child, Reagan kicked off the drug war into high gear to protect me. Millions incarcerated, even more families ruined. I wish he hadn't. We were hysterical then too.
- apta 7y ago
  Money, greed, and ignorance are at play here. If they truly "cared about the children", they'd ban smoking altogether.
metaphor 7y ago
The methods of the NHS are not without its fair share of public criticism: https://observer.com/2019/10/vape-crisis-public-health-research-misleading/ https://observer.com/2019/10/vape-crisis-public-health-resea...
- refurb 7y ago
  Can you point to where that’s stated in your article? It basically just talks about how hard it is to find a definitive study since there are so many different products.
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Clubber 7y ago

Or maybe we'll look at it like the Polio vaccine.