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It's a bit sad how the rest of the world don't put such reward for dev jobs.Even here, in London,I'd need to be a quant to pull such a salary.

milofeynman 7y ago
The rest of the US does not pull such salaries. That's pretty exclusive Silicon Valley / Seattle.
- briandear 7y ago
  You can easily make $100-$120k in Houston and that’s still much higher than London salaries. I had offers for $135k in Connecticut, offers for $90k in Kansas City.. still vastly better than London and the rent is a hell of a lot cheaper.
  - barrkel 7y ago
    £90k is around benchmark senior dev pay in London (band I'd say is £80k to £95k). I make a bunch more than that. London is a global city though and you'll always feel somewhat poor in this town unless you can compete with various foreign kleptocrats using it as a land bank, and that takes 8+ digits wealth.
- freeone3000 7y ago
  Dude, $135k base in Montreal. Pay is localized but not that localized.
- mancerayder 7y ago
  And NYC. Finance IT management jobs at the senior levels pay a solid 3-500, senior devs 200+, with some sort of bonus structure being common. Then there are increasingly tech companies (something that used be pretty rare even 10 years ago), and for the tired, there are university and hospital IT jobs. However, rent is through the roof, on par with San Francisco. And a city with its own set of challenges. From what I hear and read, Seattle seems like one of the best bangs for the buck. As for myself, the lack of sunlight would make me want to live in London (at least I can fly two hours and see the Sun).
TuringNYC 7y ago
London is an expensive town, so I'm sorry to hear that. But for others -- dont be too jealous, because a lot of that high salary is just a rent premium and ends up with landowners. Great if you are a landowner, but otherwise, you're mostly breaking even after taxes and rent unless the markets riso to make your stock grant in the money. (and well, if all the math is on stock anyway, you can work anywhere and just buy some options on FAANG and be done with it, which is what I do.) There are cases where you can do well (e.g., live with 2+ roommates in a tiny apt like some friends do.) -- but then, it isn't a sustainable thing.
- briandear 7y ago
  > because a lot of that high salary is just a rent premium and ends up with landowners. And London has cheaper rent?
  - digianarchist 7y ago
    Right that point broke down pretty quickly. Rent in London is more expensive than most of the United States. I found pay-salary ratio worked best in Toronto provided you don't expect to own a home in the city.
    - TuringNYC 7y ago
      That is why the post started off with "London is an expensive town, so I'm sorry to hear that. But for others --" Some cities are not rational. The best game to play when you have irrational rules is to not play. That is why the post was directed "To others: " London and NYC are not rational cities. To some extent, also Vancouver. Some of these cities are places where foreign cash comes to be parked in, often empty, apartments. They raise prices for everyone and ruin market dynamics. SF/Bay Area is irrational in a sense because you are competing on a time spectrum -- a rational job for someone who purchased a house in 2004 is an irrational job for someone who needs to rent at 2019 rates.
      - aledalgrande 7y ago

milofeynman 7y ago

The rest of the US does not pull such salaries. That's pretty exclusive Silicon Valley / Seattle.

briandear 7y ago
You can easily make $100-$120k in Houston and that’s still much higher than London salaries. I had offers for $135k in Connecticut, offers for $90k in Kansas City.. still vastly better than London and the rent is a hell of a lot cheaper.
- barrkel 7y ago
  £90k is around benchmark senior dev pay in London (band I'd say is £80k to £95k). I make a bunch more than that. London is a global city though and you'll always feel somewhat poor in this town unless you can compete with various foreign kleptocrats using it as a land bank, and that takes 8+ digits wealth.
freeone3000 7y ago
Dude, $135k base in Montreal. Pay is localized but not that localized.
mancerayder 7y ago
And NYC. Finance IT management jobs at the senior levels pay a solid 3-500, senior devs 200+, with some sort of bonus structure being common. Then there are increasingly tech companies (something that used be pretty rare even 10 years ago), and for the tired, there are university and hospital IT jobs. However, rent is through the roof, on par with San Francisco. And a city with its own set of challenges. From what I hear and read, Seattle seems like one of the best bangs for the buck. As for myself, the lack of sunlight would make me want to live in London (at least I can fly two hours and see the Sun).

TuringNYC 7y ago

London is an expensive town, so I'm sorry to hear that. But for others -- dont be too jealous, because a lot of that high salary is just a rent premium and ends up with landowners. Great if you are a landowner, but otherwise, you're mostly breaking even after taxes and rent unless the markets riso to make your stock grant in the money. (and well, if all the math is on stock anyway, you can work anywhere and just buy some options on FAANG and be done with it, which is what I do.) There are cases where you can do well (e.g., live with 2+ roommates in a tiny apt like some friends do.) -- but then, it isn't a sustainable thing.

briandear 7y ago
> because a lot of that high salary is just a rent premium and ends up with landowners. And London has cheaper rent?
- digianarchist 7y ago
  Right that point broke down pretty quickly. Rent in London is more expensive than most of the United States. I found pay-salary ratio worked best in Toronto provided you don't expect to own a home in the city.
  - TuringNYC 7y ago
    That is why the post started off with "London is an expensive town, so I'm sorry to hear that. But for others --" Some cities are not rational. The best game to play when you have irrational rules is to not play. That is why the post was directed "To others: " London and NYC are not rational cities. To some extent, also Vancouver. Some of these cities are places where foreign cash comes to be parked in, often empty, apartments. They raise prices for everyone and ruin market dynamics. SF/Bay Area is irrational in a sense because you are competing on a time spectrum -- a rational job for someone who purchased a house in 2004 is an irrational job for someone who needs to rent at 2019 rates.
    - aledalgrande 7y ago