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Some will, some won't. Just like on earth, new forms of government will evolve. What we _do_ know from our historical past is that small communities can do mu

Some will, some won't. Just like on earth, new forms of government will evolve. What we _do_ know from our historical past is that small communities can do much better at self-government in most cases. It's always harder to screw over your neighbor than a random guy from the other side of the nation, and easier for the neighbor to get redress. More importantly, I don't think the possibility of a bad outcome ought to halt the progress of mankind in perpetuity. Interesting thought: many suspect nations with frontiers flourish due to having an "escape valve". I am curious to see what an unlimited escape valve will enable.

mulmen 7y ago
> Interesting thought: many suspect nations with frontiers flourish due to having an "escape valve". I am curious to see what an unlimited escape valve will enable. Can you expand on this? I think I understand the general implication but it’s not something I have considered before. If you have more thoughts/writing on this I’d like to ingest it. If I understand correctly the idea is “undesirables” can go to a place where they are free to explore their ideas.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Sure. The basic idea is that there are always people who just "don't fit in" to society at large. Those people can stay and cause trouble, can be imprisoned, or can go through the safety valve to go live where they won't harm others. It also gives people opportunity for advancement; think of the many stories of families going west to find a better life. It allows societies to preserve a degree of individualism and a shared goal of expanding into the great un-known. I'm dipping my toes into deeper sociological waters here than I'm entirely comfortable with, but there's a broader concept of a "safety-valve institution" that can be viewed as positively helping maintain order or negatively keeping oppressed masses from rising up (the class warfare folks start beating there drums around here). Some more interesting reading: * http://www.ditext.com/shannon/shannon.html http://www.ditext.com/shannon/shannon.html * http://www.ditext.com/robbins/robbins.html http://www.ditext.com/robbins/robbins.html * https://sci-hub.tw/10.2307/2716011 https://sci-hub.tw/10.2307/2716011 The obvious issue is that the treatment of Indians was unethical in the case of America, but space exploration might allow us to get many of these benefits of historical colonialism without genocide. I'll admit that I'm biased favorably towards this idea, as the frontier could, in some cases, be much closer to a libertarian utopia than a more heavily-organized society, but the up-side is that it provides options for those who want more and less state control.

mulmen 7y ago

> Interesting thought: many suspect nations with frontiers flourish due to having an "escape valve". I am curious to see what an unlimited escape valve will enable. Can you expand on this? I think I understand the general implication but it’s not something I have considered before. If you have more thoughts/writing on this I’d like to ingest it. If I understand correctly the idea is “undesirables” can go to a place where they are free to explore their ideas.

big_chungus 7y ago
Sure. The basic idea is that there are always people who just "don't fit in" to society at large. Those people can stay and cause trouble, can be imprisoned, or can go through the safety valve to go live where they won't harm others. It also gives people opportunity for advancement; think of the many stories of families going west to find a better life. It allows societies to preserve a degree of individualism and a shared goal of expanding into the great un-known. I'm dipping my toes into deeper sociological waters here than I'm entirely comfortable with, but there's a broader concept of a "safety-valve institution" that can be viewed as positively helping maintain order or negatively keeping oppressed masses from rising up (the class warfare folks start beating there drums around here). Some more interesting reading: * http://www.ditext.com/shannon/shannon.html http://www.ditext.com/shannon/shannon.html * http://www.ditext.com/robbins/robbins.html http://www.ditext.com/robbins/robbins.html * https://sci-hub.tw/10.2307/2716011 https://sci-hub.tw/10.2307/2716011 The obvious issue is that the treatment of Indians was unethical in the case of America, but space exploration might allow us to get many of these benefits of historical colonialism without genocide. I'll admit that I'm biased favorably towards this idea, as the frontier could, in some cases, be much closer to a libertarian utopia than a more heavily-organized society, but the up-side is that it provides options for those who want more and less state control.