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Show HN: Sebenz.ai – Convert your time and human intelligence into money

12 points by alexcnwy 7y ago

young_blood 7y ago
Clicking the "Download" link on your "Terms" page takes me to the following page [1] and clicking the "Get in touch" link takes me to a dead page [2]. Also, your title is still set as "Quicksmart - Webflow HTML Website Template" which appears on the tab for your page. I would suggest going over your site once more and clear up some of these low hanging fruit, as it really doesn't give me a lot of confidence that I'll be paid for my work. :) [1] - https://webflow.com/templates/template-licenses https://webflow.com/templates/template-licenses [2] - https://www.sebenz.ai/contact/contact-1 https://www.sebenz.ai/contact/contact-1 Edit: As I was submitting this, I see the Get in touch link has been updated, however, the Download link has not, and the terms has simply changed to "We encrypt all data in transit and at rest." That's great, but, that doesn't really sound like Terms of Service to me.
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  Working on it. This isn't an official launch, was just fiddling around with the website please be patient ':)
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  Fixed, thanks! Still working on legal stuff. Working on more bugs now. This wasn't like an official launch still very much work in progress.
  - alexcnwy 7y ago
    Added some proper legal now :)
    - detaro 7y ago
      You should spent a lot more thought and effort on privacy and legal terms than "adding it now" after being challenged on it.
alexcnwy 7y ago
Any questions / feedback?
- webmaven 7y ago
  Typical amount earned per-task? Median (not mean) user monthly earnings?
  - StanAngeloff 7y ago
    Looks to be {relatively} low as the average daily payout according to https://www.sebenz.ai/company/about https://www.sebenz.ai/company/about is $5.85
    - MuffinFlavored 7y ago
      How many hours of input is that based off of?
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
- young_blood 7y ago
  Are your terms of service just lorem ipsum? https://www.sebenz.ai/utility/terms https://www.sebenz.ai/utility/terms
  - crtlaltdel 7y ago
    i laughed aggressively at this. i feel bad.
  - alexcnwy 7y ago
    um check now
    - lucb1e 7y ago
      > We collect and use the personal data described above in order to provide, improve, promote, and protect the Services, and to develop new products and services. We also collect and use personal data for our legitimate business needs. Very specific. This some template that basically says "we don't care"?
justicezyx 7y ago
Can you just call it "data processor for training AI"?
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  Sure. Good idea.
ww520 7y ago
A variant on Mechanical Turk? MT has been doing image classification for a long time.
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  yes but we encrypt the data. companies that use mechanical turk share your sensitive data with people working in third-world clickfarms. we "digitally shred" your audio and image data before we get it annotated. Basically we just productizing CAPTCHA and making it work on smartphones and Ethereum
  - lucb1e 7y ago
    Ah yes, the good old sprinkling of magic cryptography over your product. I suppose it's all fine then. Encryption is reversible, the question is who has access to the keys and what data does it unlock. Also, it seems odd that this is never mentioned in your privacy policy (ctrl+f "crypt" to match decryption/encryption/cryptography, but no hits). You'd think if this is a core feature to maintain security and/or privacy and distinguish yourself from the competition, it would be in there...
mosselman 7y ago
"Walk around your neighbourhood and take photographs. We'll pay you per photograph. Collect vehicle license plate data..." Yeah, how about fucking off? What the shit is this about? People should mind their own business. It is like those apps that ask you to collect WiFi SSIDs while driving around to 'help creating better location services' aka violate people's privacy for profit by some company.
- bananocurrency 7y ago
  report your neighbors for thoughtcrime
- lucb1e 7y ago
  No way that that's legal in the European Union. An individual might accidentally capture a license plate on a picture they take, or if you use pictures for traffic monitoring and they capture license plates but you don't store the data, those might be legitimate purposes. "Go around and spy on your neighbours for some foreign company" cannot be legal. See also the privacy policy that was lorem ipsum when this was posted. When someone commented, the owner seems to have quickly downloaded a template somewhere that says vague things like "we use it for legitimate business interests".
  - young_blood 7y ago
    It gets worse. They just updated the Terms, however, they copied them directly from this site here: https://scale.com/legal/terms https://scale.com/legal/terms They even forgot to change the links, so all sebenz.ai links still go to the scale site...
    - alexcnwy 7y ago
      updated :)
    - alexcnwy 7y ago
      Added some proper legal now :)
  - 7y ago
carokann 7y ago
I'd be extremely concerned about downloading an app to my mobile device from a data collection venture.
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  What if it means you can afford to pay rent?
Karunamon 7y ago
Signup page: >Terms and conditions apply. You agree that we may use your data for marketing purposes and share it with any of our affiliates or partners. Do you agree to waive all legal consequences and rights to legal recourse relating to this survey? Neither Hacker News nor Reddit have the appropriate typeface options for the requisite magnitude of NOPE this deserves to be responded to with. Nothing about completing AI training tasks requires anything but the bare minimum of my data, and certainly not selling it. "All legal consequences and rights to legal recourse"? Dude, no. Just no. Combined with the lack of privacy policy and ToS, this looks like a very sketchy, fly-by-night operation.
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  fixed
  - Karunamon 7y ago
    No it isn't. https://sebenzai.typeform.com/to/MQ6QUy https://sebenzai.typeform.com/to/MQ6QUy
keiferski 7y ago
"Walk around your neighbourhood and take photographs. We'll pay you per photograph. Collect vehicle license plate data..." This reminds me of communist-era practice of spying on your neighbors for "the good of your country." And, just like this app, the spies received small payments for the quality and frequency of their information. The more things change, the more they stay the same...
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  Fixed
sweeneyrod 7y ago
> Convert your time and human intelligence into money This describes literally all paid work
alexcnwy 7y ago
why did this get flagged?

12 points by alexcnwy 7y ago

Clicking the "Download" link on your "Terms" page takes me to the following page [1] and clicking the "Get in touch" link takes me to a dead page [2]. Also, your title is still set as "Quicksmart - Webflow HTML Website Template" which appears on the tab for your page. I would suggest going over your site once more and clear up some of these low hanging fruit, as it really doesn't give me a lot of confidence that I'll be paid for my work. :) [1] - https://webflow.com/templates/template-licenses https://webflow.com/templates/template-licenses [2] - https://www.sebenz.ai/contact/contact-1 https://www.sebenz.ai/contact/contact-1 Edit: As I was submitting this, I see the Get in touch link has been updated, however, the Download link has not, and the terms has simply changed to "We encrypt all data in transit and at rest." That's great, but, that doesn't really sound like Terms of Service to me.

alexcnwy 7y ago
Working on it. This isn't an official launch, was just fiddling around with the website please be patient ':)
alexcnwy 7y ago
Fixed, thanks! Still working on legal stuff. Working on more bugs now. This wasn't like an official launch still very much work in progress.
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  Added some proper legal now :)
  - detaro 7y ago
    You should spent a lot more thought and effort on privacy and legal terms than "adding it now" after being challenged on it.

alexcnwy 7y ago

Any questions / feedback?

webmaven 7y ago
Typical amount earned per-task? Median (not mean) user monthly earnings?
- StanAngeloff 7y ago
  Looks to be {relatively} low as the average daily payout according to https://www.sebenz.ai/company/about https://www.sebenz.ai/company/about is $5.85
  - MuffinFlavored 7y ago
    How many hours of input is that based off of?
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
young_blood 7y ago
Are your terms of service just lorem ipsum? https://www.sebenz.ai/utility/terms https://www.sebenz.ai/utility/terms
- crtlaltdel 7y ago
  i laughed aggressively at this. i feel bad.
- alexcnwy 7y ago
  um check now
  - lucb1e 7y ago
    > We collect and use the personal data described above in order to provide, improve, promote, and protect the Services, and to develop new products and services. We also collect and use personal data for our legitimate business needs. Very specific. This some template that basically says "we don't care"?

justicezyx 7y ago

Can you just call it "data processor for training AI"?

alexcnwy 7y ago
Sure. Good idea.

ww520 7y ago

A variant on Mechanical Turk? MT has been doing image classification for a long time.

alexcnwy 7y ago
yes but we encrypt the data. companies that use mechanical turk share your sensitive data with people working in third-world clickfarms. we "digitally shred" your audio and image data before we get it annotated. Basically we just productizing CAPTCHA and making it work on smartphones and Ethereum
- lucb1e 7y ago
  Ah yes, the good old sprinkling of magic cryptography over your product. I suppose it's all fine then. Encryption is reversible, the question is who has access to the keys and what data does it unlock. Also, it seems odd that this is never mentioned in your privacy policy (ctrl+f "crypt" to match decryption/encryption/cryptography, but no hits). You'd think if this is a core feature to maintain security and/or privacy and distinguish yourself from the competition, it would be in there...

mosselman 7y ago

"Walk around your neighbourhood and take photographs. We'll pay you per photograph. Collect vehicle license plate data..." Yeah, how about fucking off? What the shit is this about? People should mind their own business. It is like those apps that ask you to collect WiFi SSIDs while driving around to 'help creating better location services' aka violate people's privacy for profit by some company.

bananocurrency 7y ago
report your neighbors for thoughtcrime
lucb1e 7y ago
No way that that's legal in the European Union. An individual might accidentally capture a license plate on a picture they take, or if you use pictures for traffic monitoring and they capture license plates but you don't store the data, those might be legitimate purposes. "Go around and spy on your neighbours for some foreign company" cannot be legal. See also the privacy policy that was lorem ipsum when this was posted. When someone commented, the owner seems to have quickly downloaded a template somewhere that says vague things like "we use it for legitimate business interests".
- young_blood 7y ago
  It gets worse. They just updated the Terms, however, they copied them directly from this site here: https://scale.com/legal/terms https://scale.com/legal/terms They even forgot to change the links, so all sebenz.ai links still go to the scale site...
  - alexcnwy 7y ago
    updated :)
  - alexcnwy 7y ago
    Added some proper legal now :)
- 7y ago

carokann 7y ago

I'd be extremely concerned about downloading an app to my mobile device from a data collection venture.

alexcnwy 7y ago
What if it means you can afford to pay rent?

Karunamon 7y ago

Signup page: >Terms and conditions apply. You agree that we may use your data for marketing purposes and share it with any of our affiliates or partners. Do you agree to waive all legal consequences and rights to legal recourse relating to this survey? Neither Hacker News nor Reddit have the appropriate typeface options for the requisite magnitude of NOPE this deserves to be responded to with. Nothing about completing AI training tasks requires anything but the bare minimum of my data, and certainly not selling it. "All legal consequences and rights to legal recourse"? Dude, no. Just no. Combined with the lack of privacy policy and ToS, this looks like a very sketchy, fly-by-night operation.

alexcnwy 7y ago
fixed
- Karunamon 7y ago
  No it isn't. https://sebenzai.typeform.com/to/MQ6QUy https://sebenzai.typeform.com/to/MQ6QUy

keiferski 7y ago

"Walk around your neighbourhood and take photographs. We'll pay you per photograph. Collect vehicle license plate data..." This reminds me of communist-era practice of spying on your neighbors for "the good of your country." And, just like this app, the spies received small payments for the quality and frequency of their information. The more things change, the more they stay the same...

alexcnwy 7y ago
Fixed

sweeneyrod 7y ago

> Convert your time and human intelligence into money This describes literally all paid work

alexcnwy 7y ago

why did this get flagged?