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Considering that the person who responded to Kohsuke is Jason van Zyl, creater of Maven, and not an Oracle employee as far as I know, I have to question the tit

by newobj 16y ago

Considering that the person who responded to Kohsuke is Jason van Zyl, creater of Maven, and not an Oracle employee as far as I know, I have to question the title of this story.

gojomo 16y ago
It appears van Zyl is with Sonatype, a company working with Oracle to continue Hudson under its original name: http://www.sonatype.com/people/2011/02/hudsons-bright-future/ http://www.sonatype.com/people/2011/02/hudsons-bright-future...
- rdtsc 16y ago
  Fantastic excerpt from it ---- The Hudson lead, Winston Prakash from Oracle, is highly skilled, very thoughtful, and he cares about the community. He is also the first person to create detailed, comprehensive architectural documentation. ---- So now the main accomplishment of the current project lead is writing detailed documentation. Those that can - code, those that can't - write very detailed documentation. Yeah, I think I'll stick with Jenkins...
  - billswift 16y ago
    On the other hand good documentation is essential if you want many users. I think that O'Reilly, Coriolis, New Riders, and the other publishers have had more to do with the wider use of open source in the last 15 years than ESR and the FSF itself.
    - jrockway 16y ago
      Architectural documentation and user documentation are two completely different things. User documentation is what O'Reilly does. Architectural documentation is what Oracle is claiming to have done.
  - Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
    >> So now the main accomplishment of the current project lead is writing detailed documentation. Those that can - code, those that can't - write very detailed documentation. So we're now running people down for decent documentation? Seriously?
    - yummyfajitas 16y ago
      No, we are looking for a pretext to run down people who work for Oracle.
      - rdtsc 16y ago
        Because Oracle is behaving like bully we don't need much of a pretext.
        Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
        Then go with that rather than picking on people for basic good practice.
    - rdtsc 16y ago
      Let's just say that if I see a resume on my desk and the _main_ accomplishment of the candidate is writing detailed documentation, that person probably won't get the job as a lead developer.
brown9-2 16y ago
See this recent Sonatype blog post for more background: http://www.sonatype.com/people/2011/02/hudsons-bright-future/ http://www.sonatype.com/people/2011/02/hudsons-bright-future... IMO, it sounds like Sonatype (which was already bundling a version of Hudson in their premium product) sees this recent fork as an opportunity to ramp up their contribution to the "offical" Hudson project and take some control.

by newobj 16y ago

Considering that the person who responded to Kohsuke is Jason van Zyl, creater of Maven, and not an Oracle employee as far as I know, I have to question the title of this story.

gojomo 16y ago

It appears van Zyl is with Sonatype, a company working with Oracle to continue Hudson under its original name: http://www.sonatype.com/people/2011/02/hudsons-bright-future/ http://www.sonatype.com/people/2011/02/hudsons-bright-future...

rdtsc 16y ago
Fantastic excerpt from it ---- The Hudson lead, Winston Prakash from Oracle, is highly skilled, very thoughtful, and he cares about the community. He is also the first person to create detailed, comprehensive architectural documentation. ---- So now the main accomplishment of the current project lead is writing detailed documentation. Those that can - code, those that can't - write very detailed documentation. Yeah, I think I'll stick with Jenkins...
- billswift 16y ago
  On the other hand good documentation is essential if you want many users. I think that O'Reilly, Coriolis, New Riders, and the other publishers have had more to do with the wider use of open source in the last 15 years than ESR and the FSF itself.
  - jrockway 16y ago
    Architectural documentation and user documentation are two completely different things. User documentation is what O'Reilly does. Architectural documentation is what Oracle is claiming to have done.
- Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
  >> So now the main accomplishment of the current project lead is writing detailed documentation. Those that can - code, those that can't - write very detailed documentation. So we're now running people down for decent documentation? Seriously?
  - yummyfajitas 16y ago
    No, we are looking for a pretext to run down people who work for Oracle.
    - rdtsc 16y ago
      Because Oracle is behaving like bully we don't need much of a pretext.
      - Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
        Then go with that rather than picking on people for basic good practice.
  - rdtsc 16y ago
    Let's just say that if I see a resume on my desk and the _main_ accomplishment of the candidate is writing detailed documentation, that person probably won't get the job as a lead developer.

brown9-2 16y ago

See this recent Sonatype blog post for more background: http://www.sonatype.com/people/2011/02/hudsons-bright-future/ http://www.sonatype.com/people/2011/02/hudsons-bright-future... IMO, it sounds like Sonatype (which was already bundling a version of Hudson in their premium product) sees this recent fork as an opportunity to ramp up their contribution to the "offical" Hudson project and take some control.