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>Is it though? First rebuttal that comes to mind is that, in the US, one can legally be elected without the having the majority of the counter, valid, votes. Y

>Is it though? First rebuttal that comes to mind is that, in the US, one can legally be elected without the having the majority of the counter, valid, votes. Yes, spend a couple of moments reading up on the EC. The rules haven't changed in a long time. Even if you don't like it, that's only how the president is elected. Federal representatives for the state are elected by getting the most votes in a district. >Another one would be that one can be elected without the approval of the majority of the people who could vote. Every election system that allows more than two candidates or allows people to skip voting has this flaw.

kuzimoto 7y ago
> Every election system that allows more than two candidates or allows people to skip voting has this flaw. It's not even necessarily a flaw. It's good because it allows the minority a chance to not have certain views crammed on to them by the majority. Just people a larger amount of people agree to a certain set of ideas, doesn't mean everyone does or has to. Densely populated areas have an advantage and likely different views to rural areas. What's best for one group might not be best for the other.
snowron6 7y ago
>Every election system that allows more than two candidates or allows people to skip voting has this flaw. This is completely false, there are plenty of voting systems out there that allow for more than 2 people to run, yet still require a majority to vote for you. Here's a playlist explaining several: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnR...
bobthepanda 7y ago
The problem is not really the EC, the problem is that states are winner-takes-all with their EVs. And that was only really true starting in 1824. https://www.fairvote.org/how-the-electoral-college-became-winner-take-all https://www.fairvote.org/how-the-electoral-college-became-wi... Proportionally allocating state electors would solve most of the actual problems people have with the EC, like the emphasis on swing voters.
ElFitz 7y ago
> Yes, spend a couple of moments reading up on the EC. The rules haven't changed in a long time. Even if you don't like it, that's only how the president is elected. Federal representatives for the state are elected by getting the most votes in a district. So... it makes what the gp is saying true? It means the government is indeed by the people? I don't follow. > Every election system that allows more than two candidates or allows people to skip voting has this flaw. Again, how is that supposed to make gp's statement true? GP's statement: > The government is elected by the people [...]

kuzimoto 7y ago

> Every election system that allows more than two candidates or allows people to skip voting has this flaw. It's not even necessarily a flaw. It's good because it allows the minority a chance to not have certain views crammed on to them by the majority. Just people a larger amount of people agree to a certain set of ideas, doesn't mean everyone does or has to. Densely populated areas have an advantage and likely different views to rural areas. What's best for one group might not be best for the other.

snowron6 7y ago

>Every election system that allows more than two candidates or allows people to skip voting has this flaw. This is completely false, there are plenty of voting systems out there that allow for more than 2 people to run, yet still require a majority to vote for you. Here's a playlist explaining several: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnR...

bobthepanda 7y ago

The problem is not really the EC, the problem is that states are winner-takes-all with their EVs. And that was only really true starting in 1824. https://www.fairvote.org/how-the-electoral-college-became-winner-take-all https://www.fairvote.org/how-the-electoral-college-became-wi... Proportionally allocating state electors would solve most of the actual problems people have with the EC, like the emphasis on swing voters.

ElFitz 7y ago

> Yes, spend a couple of moments reading up on the EC. The rules haven't changed in a long time. Even if you don't like it, that's only how the president is elected. Federal representatives for the state are elected by getting the most votes in a district. So... it makes what the gp is saying true? It means the government is indeed by the people? I don't follow. > Every election system that allows more than two candidates or allows people to skip voting has this flaw. Again, how is that supposed to make gp's statement true? GP's statement: > The government is elected by the people [...]