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Do you believe the figures Russia and China publish? Alternatively, if a country had a high rate of executions and/or "disappearing" people, what would happen

Do you believe the figures Russia and China publish? Alternatively, if a country had a high rate of executions and/or "disappearing" people, what would happen to that country's incarceration rate? Alternatively, is the term "incarceration" only applied to people convicted of a crime? Would re-education camps count towards the incarceration rate?

munk-a 7y ago
Sorry I missed including my source, here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera... (and yes, it's probably got a quite high inaccuracy, but there aren't other easy to ingest sources I found)
- maqp 7y ago
  US has basically modernized slavery with the for-profit prison system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHz2Hmq7soo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHz2Hmq7soo
  - Jamwinner 7y ago
    I see this a lot. I am conflicted. On one hand, guards, staff,etc need to be paid. Someone being a criminal should not put extra burden on the rest of us, and our social services. Many for-profit prisons are incentivized to better serve than state-run institutions. On the other hand, many prisons, private and otherwise, seem to play dirty rent-seeking bs with insanely low conpensation for work done, exorbiant fees for calling, visiting,or even emailing family, and systematic mismanagement. Clearly there is a way to optimize this system, and both profit, and improve lives. Maybe someone here has a vision.
    - munk-a 7y ago
      > Someone being a criminal should not put extra burden on the rest of us, and our social services, I disagree with this, criminals shouldn't place extreme burden on society, but it's our job to deal with rehabilitating them - it's a societal choice, some societies over time have forced capital punishments on any law breakers and our modern society tries to rehabilitate them.

munk-a 7y ago

Sorry I missed including my source, here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera... (and yes, it's probably got a quite high inaccuracy, but there aren't other easy to ingest sources I found)

maqp 7y ago
US has basically modernized slavery with the for-profit prison system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHz2Hmq7soo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHz2Hmq7soo
- Jamwinner 7y ago
  I see this a lot. I am conflicted. On one hand, guards, staff,etc need to be paid. Someone being a criminal should not put extra burden on the rest of us, and our social services. Many for-profit prisons are incentivized to better serve than state-run institutions. On the other hand, many prisons, private and otherwise, seem to play dirty rent-seeking bs with insanely low conpensation for work done, exorbiant fees for calling, visiting,or even emailing family, and systematic mismanagement. Clearly there is a way to optimize this system, and both profit, and improve lives. Maybe someone here has a vision.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    > Someone being a criminal should not put extra burden on the rest of us, and our social services, I disagree with this, criminals shouldn't place extreme burden on society, but it's our job to deal with rehabilitating them - it's a societal choice, some societies over time have forced capital punishments on any law breakers and our modern society tries to rehabilitate them.