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shrug "why would you want to access our website if you dont have $5 anyway"

whatsmyusername 7y ago
You're being facetious but much of the time that's the logic. Flip it around, "Why would I spend resources on you if the chance that you're going to generate a return on those resources is minimal?"
- damnyou 7y ago
  The communities I'm part of now go out of their way to be inclusive. People who can afford it are strongly encouraged to pay more to subsidize people who can't. People who pay more don't get any special privileges either. Those are the sorts of communities I want to be in, not some fee gating bullshit.
  - FussyZeus 7y ago
    A community is not a business. In fact it's hard for me to conceive of two conceptual entities further away from each other. A business is interested in profit. Apple is no different. If you're not paying in, they're directly incentivized to make your experience suck as much as they can without crossing legal lines, to get you to do so. I'm not saying I want to be in the fee-gating communities, I agree with you on that point. I'm just saying expecting a multi-billion dollar corporation to be interested in fostering that same sense of community is ridiculous.
    - damnyou 7y ago
      We're talking about Something Awful in this thread, not Apple. You're right that a community is not a business. That's ultimately the fundamental rot in capitalism.
- detaro 7y ago
  Because you (Apple) are supposedly in the business of making the best experience for the people buying your devices, and your cool privacy-friendly authentication provider being available on less websites makes their experience worse? Sign-in with Apple does not make sense as a product with the goal of direct profit, (and the majority of its developer target market already pays, because they only implement it because it's an requirement for them building their apps), so this logic doesn't work so well.
  - whatsmyusername 7y ago
    I'm more inclined to spend money on a product that goes out of their way to implement Apple Sign In because I know they're catering to me. It's not going to be the only thing that goes into the equation, but if I have a choice between two equals it can tip the balance.
  - brobinson 7y ago
    How are you going to buy an iDevice when you can't afford a SomethingAwful subscription?
    - detaro 7y ago
      I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I think you're either confusing who is paying here (if I run a website, I'm paying the apple fees, my users are the ones buying the iDevices) or thinking you can't run a website without an iDevice? Also, my comment was addressing the direct parent comment, not the entire thread above it.
- quaquaqua1 7y ago
  I agree, but the question is of course about the "float resources" not "boolean resourcesSpent" An example would be free/paid website, where you constantly are trying to automate and improve the free version with features that used to be paid You are free to choose how to run your biz of course and the market will decide how valuable your idea is, and judging from your experience it sounds like it makes you money, which is a good thing :)
  - whatsmyusername 7y ago
    I don't work for free.

You're being facetious but much of the time that's the logic. Flip it around, "Why would I spend resources on you if the chance that you're going to generate a return on those resources is minimal?"

damnyou 7y ago
The communities I'm part of now go out of their way to be inclusive. People who can afford it are strongly encouraged to pay more to subsidize people who can't. People who pay more don't get any special privileges either. Those are the sorts of communities I want to be in, not some fee gating bullshit.
- FussyZeus 7y ago
  A community is not a business. In fact it's hard for me to conceive of two conceptual entities further away from each other. A business is interested in profit. Apple is no different. If you're not paying in, they're directly incentivized to make your experience suck as much as they can without crossing legal lines, to get you to do so. I'm not saying I want to be in the fee-gating communities, I agree with you on that point. I'm just saying expecting a multi-billion dollar corporation to be interested in fostering that same sense of community is ridiculous.
  - damnyou 7y ago
    We're talking about Something Awful in this thread, not Apple. You're right that a community is not a business. That's ultimately the fundamental rot in capitalism.
detaro 7y ago
Because you (Apple) are supposedly in the business of making the best experience for the people buying your devices, and your cool privacy-friendly authentication provider being available on less websites makes their experience worse? Sign-in with Apple does not make sense as a product with the goal of direct profit, (and the majority of its developer target market already pays, because they only implement it because it's an requirement for them building their apps), so this logic doesn't work so well.
- whatsmyusername 7y ago
  I'm more inclined to spend money on a product that goes out of their way to implement Apple Sign In because I know they're catering to me. It's not going to be the only thing that goes into the equation, but if I have a choice between two equals it can tip the balance.
- brobinson 7y ago
  How are you going to buy an iDevice when you can't afford a SomethingAwful subscription?
  - detaro 7y ago
    I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say, but I think you're either confusing who is paying here (if I run a website, I'm paying the apple fees, my users are the ones buying the iDevices) or thinking you can't run a website without an iDevice? Also, my comment was addressing the direct parent comment, not the entire thread above it.
quaquaqua1 7y ago
I agree, but the question is of course about the "float resources" not "boolean resourcesSpent" An example would be free/paid website, where you constantly are trying to automate and improve the free version with features that used to be paid You are free to choose how to run your biz of course and the market will decide how valuable your idea is, and judging from your experience it sounds like it makes you money, which is a good thing :)
- whatsmyusername 7y ago
  I don't work for free.