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More people need to learn that if you leave your bubbles and talk to people, you'll find that they are actually indeed people too, and not caricatures you read

More people need to learn that if you leave your bubbles and talk to people, you'll find that they are actually indeed people too, and not caricatures you read about on outrage-bait new articles.

tareqak 7y ago
I’ve mentioned an idea to a friend of mine: a sort of welfare/basic income program where people are paid to talk to others. There is no restriction as to the topic as long as the other person consents to having the conversation: it can be as mundane talking about the weather. My reasoning behind it was just to get people who otherwise would not talk to each other to do so to actively reinforce my observation that everyone is the same in different ways and different in the all same ways.
- usrusr 7y ago
  Reminds me of the movie Breakfast Club and I haven't even seen it.
- asdfman123 7y ago
  Nah, I don't think many people would get much out of socializing if you made it mandatory to keep receiving their income. I would like to see just less dependence on cars, but I have no way of foisting that on people either. You could be like me and grow up a weird liberal in a red state, but that will give you a complex and I don't recommend it.
- philwelch 7y ago
  This is the social value that we used to get from churches, fraternal organizations, bowling leagues, block parties....
  - AaronFriel 7y ago
    Some of those things are more inclusive and diverse than the others. Fortunately there exists a modern equivalent that exposes people to a lot of different folks all at the same time: universities. For many rural teenagers, a university will be the first time they meet people from another country, who don't speak English as their first language, or a sizable number of people with a different skin color. Speaking from experience, growing up in Iowa.
    - philwelch 7y ago
      And that brings us full circle back to OP. Most university students are in their late teens and early 20's and once they graduate they never go back. Churches and other social institutions are more lifelong.
  - true_religion 7y ago
    All of which exist, and will happily take you in if you want. So this is a social value in addition to that, not a replacement for its loss.
    - philwelch 7y ago
      The degree to which they exist and successfully serve that function has been diminishing, at least in the United States, for decades.
  - JshWright 7y ago
    Those all tend to be pretty ideologically homogeneous...
    - wetmore 7y ago
      Bowling clubs and block parties are ideologically homogeneous?
mcguire 7y ago
Talk to, or talk at? "What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. This works both ways."
starpilot 7y ago
Only do this if you're part of the in-group. If you're part of the out-group and reveal yourself, you could lose your job, friends, and more. If you were to reach out or fraternize with someone like James Damore, you will likely be cast out.
- Izkata 7y ago
  This is actually the impression I got from the medium post: he didn't reveal any viewpoints that would risk exposing him as not being part of the in-group, whether or not he actually held any.
  - tstrimple 7y ago
    Can you say the same for Derek Black? https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651052970/how-a-rising-star-of-white-nationalism-broke-free-from-the-movement https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651052970/how-a-rising-star-o...
hellomyguys 7y ago
> More people need to learn that if you leave your bubbles and talk to people, you'll find that they are actually indeed people too, and not caricatures you read about on outrage-bait new articles. I often find the people that make this case are in their own bubbles, they aren't aware about. Like the notion LA and NYC are bubbles, and the midwest is "real America." Even though LA and NYC contain huge amounts of economic, racial, and LGTBQ+ diversity, and what many politicians consider "real America" to be a homogenous group.

More people need to learn that if you leave your bubbles and talk to people, you'll find that they are actually indeed people too, and not caricatures you read about on outrage-bait new articles.

tareqak 7y ago

I’ve mentioned an idea to a friend of mine: a sort of welfare/basic income program where people are paid to talk to others. There is no restriction as to the topic as long as the other person consents to having the conversation: it can be as mundane talking about the weather. My reasoning behind it was just to get people who otherwise would not talk to each other to do so to actively reinforce my observation that everyone is the same in different ways and different in the all same ways.

usrusr 7y ago
Reminds me of the movie Breakfast Club and I haven't even seen it.
asdfman123 7y ago
Nah, I don't think many people would get much out of socializing if you made it mandatory to keep receiving their income. I would like to see just less dependence on cars, but I have no way of foisting that on people either. You could be like me and grow up a weird liberal in a red state, but that will give you a complex and I don't recommend it.
philwelch 7y ago
This is the social value that we used to get from churches, fraternal organizations, bowling leagues, block parties....
- AaronFriel 7y ago
  Some of those things are more inclusive and diverse than the others. Fortunately there exists a modern equivalent that exposes people to a lot of different folks all at the same time: universities. For many rural teenagers, a university will be the first time they meet people from another country, who don't speak English as their first language, or a sizable number of people with a different skin color. Speaking from experience, growing up in Iowa.
  - philwelch 7y ago
    And that brings us full circle back to OP. Most university students are in their late teens and early 20's and once they graduate they never go back. Churches and other social institutions are more lifelong.
- true_religion 7y ago
  All of which exist, and will happily take you in if you want. So this is a social value in addition to that, not a replacement for its loss.
  - philwelch 7y ago
    The degree to which they exist and successfully serve that function has been diminishing, at least in the United States, for decades.
- JshWright 7y ago
  Those all tend to be pretty ideologically homogeneous...
  - wetmore 7y ago
    Bowling clubs and block parties are ideologically homogeneous?

mcguire 7y ago

Talk to, or talk at? "What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement. This works both ways."

starpilot 7y ago

Only do this if you're part of the in-group. If you're part of the out-group and reveal yourself, you could lose your job, friends, and more. If you were to reach out or fraternize with someone like James Damore, you will likely be cast out.

Izkata 7y ago
This is actually the impression I got from the medium post: he didn't reveal any viewpoints that would risk exposing him as not being part of the in-group, whether or not he actually held any.
- tstrimple 7y ago
  Can you say the same for Derek Black? https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651052970/how-a-rising-star-of-white-nationalism-broke-free-from-the-movement https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651052970/how-a-rising-star-o...

hellomyguys 7y ago

> More people need to learn that if you leave your bubbles and talk to people, you'll find that they are actually indeed people too, and not caricatures you read about on outrage-bait new articles. I often find the people that make this case are in their own bubbles, they aren't aware about. Like the notion LA and NYC are bubbles, and the midwest is "real America." Even though LA and NYC contain huge amounts of economic, racial, and LGTBQ+ diversity, and what many politicians consider "real America" to be a homogenous group.