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Hear me out, Apple does this kind of stuff to keep the quality of the experience up. So what if it’s only 15 out of 100 people who can’t or won’t pay to play t

Hear me out, Apple does this kind of stuff to keep the quality of the experience up. So what if it’s only 15 out of 100 people who can’t or won’t pay to play that would be the ones to create a poor experience? They decided it’s worth keeping out the rest of them. This is the same reason why they purposefully break apps on iOS updates (it’s not just about being too lean to care about backwards compat) but it forces people to update their apps and many times this comes with a QoL refresh from the developer. They also require a DUNS number in order to publish an app as a company rather than an individual, and $100/year to publish at all. Similar line of thinking, hoops that force people to show that they are capable of meeting a standard, even if it is just the 80/20 rule (20% of the producers who can’t jump the hoops produce 80% of the garbage) but they decided it’s worth the cost of the other 80%.

slenk 7y ago
I believe Apple claiming this makes the experience better is very weak. What this really is is Apple creating a market where its apps thrive and competitors aren't allowed. The other big sticking point for me? You can't develop for Apple without an Apple. I can write code for Android on any OS and don't force developers to pay thousands into the ECOsystem to release a _free_ application
- Tagbert 7y ago
  An Apple developer’s license is $99, not thousands.
  - FreeFull 7y ago
    The point is that the developer license isn't enough, you have to buy a Mac to develop iOS apps
  - Axnyff 7y ago
    He's talking about the price of the mac, not the license
  - slenk 7y ago
    As others have pointed out, you need a Macbook to develop said app. I am surprised to hear the priced decreased - back when I did that sort of development is was $150 to publish free apps
    - deleted 7y ago
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- gleenn 7y ago
  Disclosure: I work for Apple but not on anything related. I think there are reasons to believe there is some dark purpose behind this, but I think there are also reasons to believe its just Apple continuing its privacy push and not wanting to see even more data go unnecessarily to the data hoarders. I'm personally super happy I can decide to not hand over my email address, I think that's a huge improvement.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Why would Apple spend the time and resources to port their development environment to other platforms? Have you seen the few apps that Apple has ported to other platforms like iTunes?
- kitsunesoba 7y ago
  Requiring a Mac reduces the number of low-effort “checkbox ports”, which the google play store has no shortage of. Nobody who just wants a quick, easy presence on iOS will buy a Mac, leaving (mostly) devs with the intent of building decent iOS apps.
- luxuryballs 7y ago
  It may not actually work as much as they would like to believe but I do think that is their thinking here, I don’t think the goal is just to gouge us for money.
ganzuul 7y ago
Today I am Thankful that I don't have to perform mental acts of contortion to justify my corporate allegiance.
- luxuryballs 7y ago
  Today I am thankful that I’m not allied to any corporation nor am I a discussion board revolutionary ;)
  - ganzuul 7y ago
    Really? You don't use Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Samsung, Huawei, or anybody else who tracks you online? I'm curious about how you arrange your DNS access... Personally I have seen fit to centralize all my PII with Google, since GMail was new. If my data leaks I know who to blame.
    - luxuryballs 7y ago
      I do make it a point not to use Google or Facebook products (because they are both evil companies that don’t have my best interests in mind) but I don’t understand what such a thing has to do with “corporate allegiance”, or maybe I misunderstood. If I want a product I buy it, if it doesn’t let me down or exceeds my expectation I’ll buy again, but it’s nothing personal, I have nothing to gain from trying to make them look better than the deserve. Google sucks though they are not loyal to the US, but they do act on their loyalties.
Krasnol 7y ago
> So what if it’s only 15 out of 100 people who can’t or won’t pay to play that would be the ones to create a poor experience? They decided it’s worth keeping out the rest of them. Here we are again at the "Apple-Experience" where the customer base is ready to pay ridiculous prices because it's part of it to show that you can afford it. How this says something about quality is beyond me but maybe you need to participate first before you can come to this conclusion...it's not like you are taking a credit from Apple where you need to show you can pay it back or rent a car where you need to show your drivers license or something. I don't even understand what you mean by "quality" in the first place. So the quality of the product is not there yet and you have to pay so they can set it up/keep it up? What part exactly does require such a hefty sum?
detaro 7y ago
How does a website offering just Facebook/Twitter/Google login instead of Facebook/Twitter/Google/Apple "keep the quality of the experience up" for the Apple user?

slenk 7y ago

I believe Apple claiming this makes the experience better is very weak. What this really is is Apple creating a market where its apps thrive and competitors aren't allowed. The other big sticking point for me? You can't develop for Apple without an Apple. I can write code for Android on any OS and don't force developers to pay thousands into the ECOsystem to release a _free_ application

Tagbert 7y ago
An Apple developer’s license is $99, not thousands.
- FreeFull 7y ago
  The point is that the developer license isn't enough, you have to buy a Mac to develop iOS apps
- Axnyff 7y ago
  He's talking about the price of the mac, not the license
- slenk 7y ago
  As others have pointed out, you need a Macbook to develop said app. I am surprised to hear the priced decreased - back when I did that sort of development is was $150 to publish free apps
  - deleted 7y ago
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gleenn 7y ago
Disclosure: I work for Apple but not on anything related. I think there are reasons to believe there is some dark purpose behind this, but I think there are also reasons to believe its just Apple continuing its privacy push and not wanting to see even more data go unnecessarily to the data hoarders. I'm personally super happy I can decide to not hand over my email address, I think that's a huge improvement.
scarface74 7y ago
Why would Apple spend the time and resources to port their development environment to other platforms? Have you seen the few apps that Apple has ported to other platforms like iTunes?
kitsunesoba 7y ago
Requiring a Mac reduces the number of low-effort “checkbox ports”, which the google play store has no shortage of. Nobody who just wants a quick, easy presence on iOS will buy a Mac, leaving (mostly) devs with the intent of building decent iOS apps.
luxuryballs 7y ago
It may not actually work as much as they would like to believe but I do think that is their thinking here, I don’t think the goal is just to gouge us for money.

ganzuul 7y ago

Today I am Thankful that I don't have to perform mental acts of contortion to justify my corporate allegiance.

luxuryballs 7y ago
Today I am thankful that I’m not allied to any corporation nor am I a discussion board revolutionary ;)
- ganzuul 7y ago
  Really? You don't use Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Samsung, Huawei, or anybody else who tracks you online? I'm curious about how you arrange your DNS access... Personally I have seen fit to centralize all my PII with Google, since GMail was new. If my data leaks I know who to blame.
  - luxuryballs 7y ago
    I do make it a point not to use Google or Facebook products (because they are both evil companies that don’t have my best interests in mind) but I don’t understand what such a thing has to do with “corporate allegiance”, or maybe I misunderstood. If I want a product I buy it, if it doesn’t let me down or exceeds my expectation I’ll buy again, but it’s nothing personal, I have nothing to gain from trying to make them look better than the deserve. Google sucks though they are not loyal to the US, but they do act on their loyalties.

Krasnol 7y ago

> So what if it’s only 15 out of 100 people who can’t or won’t pay to play that would be the ones to create a poor experience? They decided it’s worth keeping out the rest of them. Here we are again at the "Apple-Experience" where the customer base is ready to pay ridiculous prices because it's part of it to show that you can afford it. How this says something about quality is beyond me but maybe you need to participate first before you can come to this conclusion...it's not like you are taking a credit from Apple where you need to show you can pay it back or rent a car where you need to show your drivers license or something. I don't even understand what you mean by "quality" in the first place. So the quality of the product is not there yet and you have to pay so they can set it up/keep it up? What part exactly does require such a hefty sum?

detaro 7y ago

How does a website offering just Facebook/Twitter/Google login instead of Facebook/Twitter/Google/Apple "keep the quality of the experience up" for the Apple user?