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Because it will take on the order of 10 years. What are the 737 customers going to fly in the mean time? Keeping old airplanes flying longer isn't exactly incre

by _ph_ 7y ago

Because it will take on the order of 10 years. What are the 737 customers going to fly in the mean time? Keeping old airplanes flying longer isn't exactly increasing security either. And there is no indication so far, that a 737 MAX with a fixed MCAS isn't safe. Don't get me wrong: I think Boeing should have created a true 737 successor long ago and should do ASAP. But until it is done, there is a need for a current 737. And certainly, you don't want them to cut corners when developing the 737 successor...

shakna 7y ago
> And there is no indication so far, that a 737 MAX with a fixed MCAS isn't safe. I don't think that's quite true. There's been a large swathe of other problems [0] involved in the production. Broken or damaged parts, engine shutdowns and faulty hydraulics are just some of the concerns that Boeing seemed to have glossed over. There has to be a reason that Boeing was willing to go so far as halt production [1] to reassess the plane, and that won't be just one flaw. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/business/boeing-737-max-whistleblower.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/business/boeing-737-max-w... [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-weighs-cutting-or-halting-737-max-production-11576448990 https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-weighs-cutting-or-haltin...
- linuxftw 7y ago
  They're halting production because they can't deliver the planes. They don't have any internal controls to halt production for safety reasons, that much should be evident by now.
dredmorbius 7y ago
There are manufacturing lines which aren't the MAX. The 737 NG remains in production.
masklinn 7y ago
> And there is no indication so far, that a 737 MAX with a fixed MCAS isn't safe. At this point, that plane has no goodwill whatsoever left to it. The onus is on it proving that it's safe, not on its critics proving it's unsafe, because the only sensible assumption is that it's not safe and that Boeing does not and ill not self-regulate (big duh). > I think Boeing should have created a true 737 successor long ago and should do ASAP They announced that back in 2014, and probably several times beforehand. Issue is demand has seen Boeing push the 737 into 757 territory (years after the 757 got cancelled), it's not that they haven't created a 737 successor it's that their customers don't want a 737 successor, they want 737s so they can just buy the frames and put existing crew on the new plane without retraining. That's what the 737 MAX is about, and why it's broken. It's the 4th generation of 737 (original, Classic, Next Generation) and the frame can't take it anymore, but 737s is what e.g. Southwest want, because that's literally the only thing they fly.
- growlist 7y ago
  It's more about terror of the A320 isn't it?

by _ph_ 7y ago

shakna 7y ago

> And there is no indication so far, that a 737 MAX with a fixed MCAS isn't safe. I don't think that's quite true. There's been a large swathe of other problems [0] involved in the production. Broken or damaged parts, engine shutdowns and faulty hydraulics are just some of the concerns that Boeing seemed to have glossed over. There has to be a reason that Boeing was willing to go so far as halt production [1] to reassess the plane, and that won't be just one flaw. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/business/boeing-737-max-whistleblower.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/business/boeing-737-max-w... [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-weighs-cutting-or-halting-737-max-production-11576448990 https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-weighs-cutting-or-haltin...

linuxftw 7y ago
They're halting production because they can't deliver the planes. They don't have any internal controls to halt production for safety reasons, that much should be evident by now.

dredmorbius 7y ago

There are manufacturing lines which aren't the MAX. The 737 NG remains in production.

masklinn 7y ago

> And there is no indication so far, that a 737 MAX with a fixed MCAS isn't safe. At this point, that plane has no goodwill whatsoever left to it. The onus is on it proving that it's safe, not on its critics proving it's unsafe, because the only sensible assumption is that it's not safe and that Boeing does not and ill not self-regulate (big duh). > I think Boeing should have created a true 737 successor long ago and should do ASAP They announced that back in 2014, and probably several times beforehand. Issue is demand has seen Boeing push the 737 into 757 territory (years after the 757 got cancelled), it's not that they haven't created a 737 successor it's that their customers don't want a 737 successor, they want 737s so they can just buy the frames and put existing crew on the new plane without retraining. That's what the 737 MAX is about, and why it's broken. It's the 4th generation of 737 (original, Classic, Next Generation) and the frame can't take it anymore, but 737s is what e.g. Southwest want, because that's literally the only thing they fly.

growlist 7y ago
It's more about terror of the A320 isn't it?