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> does not allow students any free time for any hobby I don't know about you, but Japanese people who grew up in Japan, in my experience, are the most likely o

> does not allow students any free time for any hobby I don't know about you, but Japanese people who grew up in Japan, in my experience, are the most likely of anyone I've ever known to have active hobbies that they picked up during middle or high school. I don't know of any nationality or ethnic group I'd associate more with having active school-age hobbies. > does not fight racism That may be a problem for those who are from visible minorities, but the majority of the children who are refusing to go to school are broadly ethnic Japanese, or Okinawan. Seems like it'd be low on the list.

mdorazio 7y ago
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with your first point entirely unless you have some stats for it. My personal experience has been that Japanese people 1) are no more likely than others to have active hobbies, and 2) largely do not pick up long-term hobbies until college or later in life because their younger years were overburdened with schoolwork.
- dgzl 7y ago
  I was an exchange student in high school to Japan and I have never seen groups of people more dedicated to both studying and hobbies, especially at the grade-school age. There are private companies that offer study rooms that HS students rent every weekend. Kendo, soccer, baseball and basketball clubs were really huge at the school I was visiting.
  - doublement 7y ago
    The clubs you listed all involve strenuous physical activity... and are clubs. People can pursue them as hobbies, of course, but I think for most people a hobby is something personal, and perhaps pointless, outside of the sound mind/sound body routine. EDIT: Kinda surprised at the downvotes! Is it really so controversial to consider a club activity less of a "real" hobby than something self-organized?
    - seavanas 7y ago
      > Yep, just gonna move the goal post a bit further to make my argument valid.
      - doublement 7y ago
        I don't think goal posts are being moved so much as "hobby" means different things to different people.
        seavanas 7y ago
        > The actual definition of hobby is MY definition. Me! Me! me! only I matter!
        doublement 7y ago
        It's the definition I start with anyway. Having the general-case "me" matter more is kind-of essential to the article in any case.
    - omikun 7y ago
      I was going to agree with you since hobby, for me, is more of a solitary activity. But then I do know several people at work who would say soccer or basketball is their hobby, something they play regularly and look forward to doing. Although kendo sounds like it would be difficult to keep up outside of school. But I have not lived in Japan to know how popular it is outside of school.
hprotagonist 7y ago
> are broadly ethnic Japanese, or Okinawan You know that Okinawan is “bad”, right.

mdorazio 7y ago

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with your first point entirely unless you have some stats for it. My personal experience has been that Japanese people 1) are no more likely than others to have active hobbies, and 2) largely do not pick up long-term hobbies until college or later in life because their younger years were overburdened with schoolwork.

dgzl 7y ago
I was an exchange student in high school to Japan and I have never seen groups of people more dedicated to both studying and hobbies, especially at the grade-school age. There are private companies that offer study rooms that HS students rent every weekend. Kendo, soccer, baseball and basketball clubs were really huge at the school I was visiting.
- doublement 7y ago
  The clubs you listed all involve strenuous physical activity... and are clubs. People can pursue them as hobbies, of course, but I think for most people a hobby is something personal, and perhaps pointless, outside of the sound mind/sound body routine. EDIT: Kinda surprised at the downvotes! Is it really so controversial to consider a club activity less of a "real" hobby than something self-organized?
  - seavanas 7y ago
    > Yep, just gonna move the goal post a bit further to make my argument valid.
    - doublement 7y ago
      I don't think goal posts are being moved so much as "hobby" means different things to different people.
      - seavanas 7y ago
        > The actual definition of hobby is MY definition. Me! Me! me! only I matter!
        doublement 7y ago
        It's the definition I start with anyway. Having the general-case "me" matter more is kind-of essential to the article in any case.
  - omikun 7y ago
    I was going to agree with you since hobby, for me, is more of a solitary activity. But then I do know several people at work who would say soccer or basketball is their hobby, something they play regularly and look forward to doing. Although kendo sounds like it would be difficult to keep up outside of school. But I have not lived in Japan to know how popular it is outside of school.

hprotagonist 7y ago

> are broadly ethnic Japanese, or Okinawan You know that Okinawan is “bad”, right.