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> I find it rather weird that mathematics is usually taught to people on a historical basis. It very much is not. If you tried to learn calculus the way Newton

> I find it rather weird that mathematics is usually taught to people on a historical basis. It very much is not. If you tried to learn calculus the way Newton learned it (with fluxions, or worse, awkwardly stated in the style of Euclid’s elements) or the way Leibniz learned it (ill-defined infinitesimals), you’re gonna be in for a bad time. We synthesise, reformulate, and reteach all the time. There’s a lot more that has changed since Euclid’s time than merely the notation. I skimmed the rest of the article, but the philosophical mathematical preface is questionable.

dr_zoidberg 7y ago
I'd like you to elaborate a bit more on the ill-defined inifinitesimals, because that sounds a bit like the way I was taught calculus in 2006. But maybe it's just that I studied engineering and we got the "light" part and not too rigurous. Or maybe we were taught in a horrid way and didn't know better.
- jordigh 7y ago
  Infinitesimals have a long and complicated history (e.g. 1 = 0.999...) and their lack of a formal definition until recent years has lead to erroneous arguments such as thinking that (dx/dy) (dy/dz) (dz/dx) equals 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_product_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_product_rule
  - Enginerrrd 7y ago
    I think you must mean dz/dx in the last term.
    - jordigh 7y ago
      Thanks, fixed.
- galimaufry 7y ago
  They are well-defined, but the usual framework that explains them ("non-standard analysis") is extremely abstract. If you are dealing with polynomials/algebraic geometry only then there is a very simple, totally rigorous approach using nilpotents. And there is a newer approach called "alpha calculus" that I know nothing about but here is an example: https://arxiv.org/pdf/0807.3477.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/0807.3477.pdf
  - jordigh 7y ago
    They are well-defined now, but when Leibniz and Cauchy were working with them, they were not, and used carelessly could lead to errors. Their "solution" was to just pretend those errors didn't happen ("don't do that, then") instead of trying to come up with a consistent system of rules for infinitesimals.

dr_zoidberg 7y ago

I'd like you to elaborate a bit more on the ill-defined inifinitesimals, because that sounds a bit like the way I was taught calculus in 2006. But maybe it's just that I studied engineering and we got the "light" part and not too rigurous. Or maybe we were taught in a horrid way and didn't know better.

jordigh 7y ago
Infinitesimals have a long and complicated history (e.g. 1 = 0.999...) and their lack of a formal definition until recent years has lead to erroneous arguments such as thinking that (dx/dy) (dy/dz) (dz/dx) equals 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_product_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_product_rule
- Enginerrrd 7y ago
  I think you must mean dz/dx in the last term.
  - jordigh 7y ago
    Thanks, fixed.
galimaufry 7y ago
They are well-defined, but the usual framework that explains them ("non-standard analysis") is extremely abstract. If you are dealing with polynomials/algebraic geometry only then there is a very simple, totally rigorous approach using nilpotents. And there is a newer approach called "alpha calculus" that I know nothing about but here is an example: https://arxiv.org/pdf/0807.3477.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/0807.3477.pdf
- jordigh 7y ago
  They are well-defined now, but when Leibniz and Cauchy were working with them, they were not, and used carelessly could lead to errors. Their "solution" was to just pretend those errors didn't happen ("don't do that, then") instead of trying to come up with a consistent system of rules for infinitesimals.