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No matter how you spin this, the vast majority of people get depressed from environmental settings and long periods of stress. Very people are born with a depre

No matter how you spin this, the vast majority of people get depressed from environmental settings and long periods of stress. Very people are born with a depressed mind. For me, this is treating symptoms where we should focus on curing the fucking reasons why people get so depressed. Sure, let's eat some more drugs - like we don't eat enoigh of that shit. The whole notion of taking drugs to become sane is fucking insane and ridicoulos. Sleep, workout, and eat properly. For the people that are real sick with depression - I feel with you, I really do! And if LSD helps those people, or any other drug does, just go onboard.

DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
I don't think we've historically lacked motivation alpng those lines. AFAIK humans have been trying to address the valid reasons to be depressed for (at least) thousands of years. We've also been ingesting chemicals as a temporary hack for about as long.
ausbah 7y ago
Sleep, exercise, and proper nutrition won't solve long term sources of stress or depression stemming from environmental settings. Yes they are excellent habits to have, but I'd wager they only make the symptoms of the aforementioned issues slightly easier to deal with. I'd argue you probably need to have more widescale societal and cultural reforms to get rid of the sources of most of those problems. Substantially better healthcare and higher education to reduce loan burdens, shorter working hours and commutes to have more time to spend with family and friends, etx.
- tomohawk 7y ago
  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/exercise-and-mood/201107/outwalking-depression https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/exercise-and-mood/20... > well-conducted clinical trials have repeatedly shown mood benefit from exercise in adults with clinical depression
  - aeyes 7y ago
    I exercise as one form to fight depression and it helps a lot, doing something many would consider an extreme sport. If I'm not out there pushing limits every 2-3 days I notice how my mind get's caught up in little stuff. But once you get injured the hole you fall into is really really deep. There has to be another way.
missosoup 7y ago
Spoken like an exemplar of n=1 'I understand it' individual who experienced mild depression and thinks they know everything there is to know, while being completely ignorant of chronic treatment resistant depression which is the real issue. Exercise, sleep, mindfulness, SSRI, whatever other things might work for you, they don't work for everyone. Don't mistake your experience for describing 100% of the population. Exercise specifically is a non-solution and has been demonstrated to be a step on the hedonic treadmill. Once fitness goals are achieved, the depression benefit wears off unless ones sets every more difficult fitness goals. No different than reaching for that pay rise, that better car, that bigger house, etc. It's never a solution.
OGWhales 7y ago
Sleeping, eating, and working out only do so much and are very difficult to do when one is already fighting depression. You simply cannot tell everyone "just do these 3 easy things" and expect that to work or for people to even listen. While those are critical for people, especially the depressed, it truly mocks the struggle and ignores the underlying issue. Far more important is the issue of work or school utterly dominating our lives, leaving little time to deal with the other stresses in life and even less time to decompress or socialize. Only a massive societal effort to reduce these stresses will make an substantial reduction in these widespread mental struggles.

DoofusOfDeath 7y ago

I don't think we've historically lacked motivation alpng those lines. AFAIK humans have been trying to address the valid reasons to be depressed for (at least) thousands of years. We've also been ingesting chemicals as a temporary hack for about as long.

ausbah 7y ago

Sleep, exercise, and proper nutrition won't solve long term sources of stress or depression stemming from environmental settings. Yes they are excellent habits to have, but I'd wager they only make the symptoms of the aforementioned issues slightly easier to deal with. I'd argue you probably need to have more widescale societal and cultural reforms to get rid of the sources of most of those problems. Substantially better healthcare and higher education to reduce loan burdens, shorter working hours and commutes to have more time to spend with family and friends, etx.

tomohawk 7y ago
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/exercise-and-mood/201107/outwalking-depression https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/exercise-and-mood/20... > well-conducted clinical trials have repeatedly shown mood benefit from exercise in adults with clinical depression
- aeyes 7y ago
  I exercise as one form to fight depression and it helps a lot, doing something many would consider an extreme sport. If I'm not out there pushing limits every 2-3 days I notice how my mind get's caught up in little stuff. But once you get injured the hole you fall into is really really deep. There has to be another way.

missosoup 7y ago

Spoken like an exemplar of n=1 'I understand it' individual who experienced mild depression and thinks they know everything there is to know, while being completely ignorant of chronic treatment resistant depression which is the real issue. Exercise, sleep, mindfulness, SSRI, whatever other things might work for you, they don't work for everyone. Don't mistake your experience for describing 100% of the population. Exercise specifically is a non-solution and has been demonstrated to be a step on the hedonic treadmill. Once fitness goals are achieved, the depression benefit wears off unless ones sets every more difficult fitness goals. No different than reaching for that pay rise, that better car, that bigger house, etc. It's never a solution.

OGWhales 7y ago

Sleeping, eating, and working out only do so much and are very difficult to do when one is already fighting depression. You simply cannot tell everyone "just do these 3 easy things" and expect that to work or for people to even listen. While those are critical for people, especially the depressed, it truly mocks the struggle and ignores the underlying issue. Far more important is the issue of work or school utterly dominating our lives, leaving little time to deal with the other stresses in life and even less time to decompress or socialize. Only a massive societal effort to reduce these stresses will make an substantial reduction in these widespread mental struggles.