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Because now the system is only going to perform at peak accuracy in some fantasy world split up into 6 races of equal part man, woman, child, and elderly. If yo
by dcow 7y ago
Because now the system is only going to perform at peak accuracy in some fantasy world split up into 6 races of equal part man, woman, child, and elderly. If you’re seeking a realistic model, you randomly sample actual data.
There are many problems with socially engineering data sets. For one we would need to achieve consensus on what constitutes an appropriately representative (i.e. socially just) data set. And then we need a feedback loop to make sure that our dynamically changing inputs don’t knock our meticulously tuned output out of whack. And we’d need to continually adjust our model based on our changing definition of social justice. Finally we need to find social engineers with credentials in building perfect societies (I most certainly don’t trust Joe PM) to perform all this work.
Sociologists have been arguing forever that humans are inherently racist. Maybe these “AI systems” are just proving their point. Perhaps this bias is more a reflection of our inability to maintain global context that is also maximally relevant within our local tribes. Maybe we should focus on acknowledging biases and working through them rather than trying to transcend into some unicorn world where everybody has all the context all the time and bias is impossible.
Anyway, I see your census and raise you an FBI: white people commit way more crimes in the US [1]. So if your goal is to reduce total harm then social engineering is not your solution. Perhaps more accurately identifying the most frequent perpetrators (in the case of the US, white people) is exactly how you’d end up tuning your system...
1: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43/10tbl43a.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
- steveeq1 7y ago> white people commit way more crimes in the US How is this even possible? Aren't black responsible for more than 50% of the murders despite being only 13% of the population? These stats don't add up.
- basseq 7y agoDid you click on the link? It literally shows you how these stats add up.
- steveeq1 7y agoOf course I did, but it contradicts the 13/50 meme. And there are other fbi stats that contradict your link. Again: how is this possible?
- basseq 7y agoIt doesn't contract the 13/50 stat at all. And also says that "white people commit way more crimes in the US". Specifically: 4,209 (48.7%) "murders and nonnegligent manslaughter" ("murders") are categorized under race=Black. Incidentally, still less than race=White (4,261 or 49.3%). Indeed, 12.6% of respondents in the 2010 census self-identified as "Black or African American". That's your 13/50 meme. However, murders are <0.085% of all crimes tallied in the FBI report, and are far outweighed by crimes like larceny (1M instances), drug abuse violations (1.27M), DUIs (1M), and "Other" (2.9M), where race=White are all by far the majority. Thus, 69.4% of crimes are committed by race=White, so "white people commit way more crimes in the US" is also true.
- steveeq1 7y agothen your stats are misleading. When you calculate per-capita, then blacks commit way more crimes than whites.
- steveeq1 7y agoyes, downvote instead of proving my point wrong.
- AnthonyMouse 7y agoBecause per capita only matters when you're comparing groups to each other, not when you're trying to minimize the overall number of failures in the system.
- steveeq1 7y ago