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And yet, the most popular French SUV won't be a taxed a single € as part of this super malus (Peugeot 3008 and 5008). Thus tax increase will impact far less th

And yet, the most popular French SUV won't be a taxed a single € as part of this super malus (Peugeot 3008 and 5008). Thus tax increase will impact far less than 1% if the sales. It's all PR, nothing concrete.

isoprophlex 7y ago
Yeah considering what you say there must clearly be political motivation But contrast a 5008's 120 g/km with the average American gas guzzler doing 350+ g/km. All in all this is a good development imo.
- usrusr 7y ago
  The idea of a law without political motivation is absurd. How else would it come into existence? Monkeys on typewriters?
steve19 7y ago
If that is true then it sounds like a great protectionist measure, so not PR at all!
- lloeki 7y ago
  The minister literally said it: > ces véhicules ne sont construits ni en France, ni même par nos constructeurs nationaux "those vehicles are neither built in France nor by our national automakers" https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/automobile/le-supermalus-touchera-entre-10000-et-15000-vehicules-par-an-1153068 https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/automobile/le-sup...
Gibbon1 7y ago
Be a lot better to just put an uniform excise tax on new vehicles based on expected C02 emissions. That would also tend to solve the problem of guys in yellow vests throwing stuff.
- stephaner 7y ago
  It's a tax based on number of grams of CO2/km for all vehicles so 3008/5008 are concerned too. The updated tax for 2020 starts at 110 g of CO2/km (previously 117 gCO/km, last year)
- pjc50 7y ago
  That's what's actually happening, it's just that Bloomberg have .. misreported it?
- rad_gruchalski 7y ago
  That’s fine. As long as it includes emissions already created during production.
paulintrognon 7y ago
From the article: > Under a law adopted by parliament this week, cars emitting carbon dioxide above a certain threshold will be subject to a 20,000 euros ($22,240) penalty in 2020 So that seems to be because they don't pollute as much
lloeki 7y ago
Also, this made me cringe. > In 2020, the central government will give as much as 6,000 euros toward the purchase of an electric car costing less than 45,000 euros. This looks like an anti-Tesla threshold, all the while pushing people to go towards electric cars that either you buy but rent the battery, such as Renault Zoé, or with poor autonomy.
- cipher_system 7y ago
  I would guess a lot of people don't like the idea of subsidising luxury cars for wealthy people. I can understand that. Besides, aren't Model 3 and the coming Cybertruck below that limit?
  - dzhiurgis 7y ago
    Made in China + whatever Cybertruck is having M3 could go below $25k USD - perhaps 30k euro if you add duties, etc.
    - de_watcher 7y ago
      The Cybertruck doesn't make sense in EU. It just won't fit into the cities. :D
  - lloeki 7y ago
    In France base Model 3 is 43600. Any option / road ready fees will curiously drive you just past the threshold.
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isoprophlex 7y ago

Yeah considering what you say there must clearly be political motivation But contrast a 5008's 120 g/km with the average American gas guzzler doing 350+ g/km. All in all this is a good development imo.

usrusr 7y ago
The idea of a law without political motivation is absurd. How else would it come into existence? Monkeys on typewriters?

steve19 7y ago

If that is true then it sounds like a great protectionist measure, so not PR at all!

lloeki 7y ago
The minister literally said it: > ces véhicules ne sont construits ni en France, ni même par nos constructeurs nationaux "those vehicles are neither built in France nor by our national automakers" https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/automobile/le-supermalus-touchera-entre-10000-et-15000-vehicules-par-an-1153068 https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/automobile/le-sup...

Gibbon1 7y ago

Be a lot better to just put an uniform excise tax on new vehicles based on expected C02 emissions. That would also tend to solve the problem of guys in yellow vests throwing stuff.

stephaner 7y ago
It's a tax based on number of grams of CO2/km for all vehicles so 3008/5008 are concerned too. The updated tax for 2020 starts at 110 g of CO2/km (previously 117 gCO/km, last year)
pjc50 7y ago
That's what's actually happening, it's just that Bloomberg have .. misreported it?
rad_gruchalski 7y ago
That’s fine. As long as it includes emissions already created during production.

paulintrognon 7y ago

From the article: > Under a law adopted by parliament this week, cars emitting carbon dioxide above a certain threshold will be subject to a 20,000 euros ($22,240) penalty in 2020 So that seems to be because they don't pollute as much

lloeki 7y ago

Also, this made me cringe. > In 2020, the central government will give as much as 6,000 euros toward the purchase of an electric car costing less than 45,000 euros. This looks like an anti-Tesla threshold, all the while pushing people to go towards electric cars that either you buy but rent the battery, such as Renault Zoé, or with poor autonomy.

cipher_system 7y ago
I would guess a lot of people don't like the idea of subsidising luxury cars for wealthy people. I can understand that. Besides, aren't Model 3 and the coming Cybertruck below that limit?
- dzhiurgis 7y ago
  Made in China + whatever Cybertruck is having M3 could go below $25k USD - perhaps 30k euro if you add duties, etc.
  - de_watcher 7y ago
    The Cybertruck doesn't make sense in EU. It just won't fit into the cities. :D
- lloeki 7y ago
  In France base Model 3 is 43600. Any option / road ready fees will curiously drive you just past the threshold.
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