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and a story about a YouTube engineer who took LSD over the summer and freaked out and nearly killed/ran over a bunch of people https://www.buzzfeednews.com/arti

by tempsy 7y ago

and a story about a YouTube engineer who took LSD over the summer and freaked out and nearly killed/ran over a bunch of people https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/youtube-engineer-lsd-rampage-arrested https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/youtube-engin...

enragedcacti 7y ago
If you think that's crazy check out this drug that caused almost 11,000 vehicle deaths last year: https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving And it's still legal!!!
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- tempsy 7y ago
  you can still make decisions while under influence of alcohol. With LSD you lose “control” with a full dose, so bad trips can make people highly unpredictable in ways that isn’t true about alcohol. That’s my point.
  - npo9 7y ago
    Alcohol can make people highly unpredictable and violent.
  - jakeinspace 7y ago
    Sure most people with a few drinks are fairly predictable (although their reaction times drop quickly). But many people get blackout drunk all the time, and that leads to incredibly erratic behavior.
  - kev009 7y ago
    Have you ever used alcohol or seen the affects it causes on others? I'm not advocating for or against either drug but this is a most unusual opinion, it sounds like you are describing alcohol to a tee in some gaslighting way.
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  - vonseel 7y ago
    Have you ever actually taken LSD? I’m pretty sure many people have lost complete control of their judgement and rational mind drinking alcohol in their college days... or any age, really. I would never suggest driving or anything dangerous on LSD, but I was still able to tell myself “ok, this is real, that’s not real” when I took LSD. The most surprising thing from my (single) LSD experience was it somehow changed my perspective at the time on work and school. Almost overnight, I went from being apathetic and unmotivated to seeing work as the most moral thing one could do, and something to be proud of. I’m not sure why since I don’t remember any conversations about work at the time. It felt like a lightbulb.
  - shlant 7y ago
    It's very clear you have not taken it before, and seem to be (possibly willfully) ignorant about alcohol. LSD is not a dissociative like GHB or PCP. Almost everyone on a full dose will be completely lucid with full mental clarity. Of course there are outliers and mega doses, but those are not the norm. I would argue a common side effect is INCREASED awareness, not loss of control. Alcohol on the other hand...
  - aphextim 7y ago
    I've never "lost control" with LSD or seen anyone do the same. Typically it is like a magic eye book where you can dial yourself back to reality. DMT on the other hand, when someone blasts off they are gone for a good 10-15 minutes.
  - drewstiff 7y ago
    "You can still make decisions while under influence of alcohol" ...Sure, such as deciding to drive home despite the fact you are barely able to walk to your car.
npo9 7y ago
Pollan, in the book, repeatedly stressed the importance of taking psychedelics in the presence of sober professionals. This is because a “bad trip” can not only be dangerous to the people around the user, but also very traumatic for the user. If the LSD was taken in a medical environment the user would absolutely not have be allowed to drive. The user would not have be given an additional dose while delusional. When trying to leave the user would most likely have been calmed by a specialist. If this failed the treatment would be conducted in a secure facility and have effective procedures for physically restraining the individual. There’s also a huge pharmaceutical difference between 4 doses of street acid and micro dosing pharmaceutical grade LSD.
mcbits 7y ago
That article says he took "two doses", which could mean just about anything but likely means at least 200-400ug, or at least 8 to 60 times the doses in the microdosing trial. The highest dose in the trial was where users just started to feel any drug effects at all. In alcohol terms, they're studying the effects/safety of a fraction of a beer whereas that guy chugged a case of beer.

by tempsy 7y ago

enragedcacti 7y ago

If you think that's crazy check out this drug that caused almost 11,000 vehicle deaths last year: https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving And it's still legal!!!

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tempsy 7y ago
you can still make decisions while under influence of alcohol. With LSD you lose “control” with a full dose, so bad trips can make people highly unpredictable in ways that isn’t true about alcohol. That’s my point.
- npo9 7y ago
  Alcohol can make people highly unpredictable and violent.
- jakeinspace 7y ago
  Sure most people with a few drinks are fairly predictable (although their reaction times drop quickly). But many people get blackout drunk all the time, and that leads to incredibly erratic behavior.
- kev009 7y ago
  Have you ever used alcohol or seen the affects it causes on others? I'm not advocating for or against either drug but this is a most unusual opinion, it sounds like you are describing alcohol to a tee in some gaslighting way.
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- vonseel 7y ago
  Have you ever actually taken LSD? I’m pretty sure many people have lost complete control of their judgement and rational mind drinking alcohol in their college days... or any age, really. I would never suggest driving or anything dangerous on LSD, but I was still able to tell myself “ok, this is real, that’s not real” when I took LSD. The most surprising thing from my (single) LSD experience was it somehow changed my perspective at the time on work and school. Almost overnight, I went from being apathetic and unmotivated to seeing work as the most moral thing one could do, and something to be proud of. I’m not sure why since I don’t remember any conversations about work at the time. It felt like a lightbulb.
- shlant 7y ago
  It's very clear you have not taken it before, and seem to be (possibly willfully) ignorant about alcohol. LSD is not a dissociative like GHB or PCP. Almost everyone on a full dose will be completely lucid with full mental clarity. Of course there are outliers and mega doses, but those are not the norm. I would argue a common side effect is INCREASED awareness, not loss of control. Alcohol on the other hand...
- aphextim 7y ago
  I've never "lost control" with LSD or seen anyone do the same. Typically it is like a magic eye book where you can dial yourself back to reality. DMT on the other hand, when someone blasts off they are gone for a good 10-15 minutes.
- drewstiff 7y ago
  "You can still make decisions while under influence of alcohol" ...Sure, such as deciding to drive home despite the fact you are barely able to walk to your car.

npo9 7y ago

Pollan, in the book, repeatedly stressed the importance of taking psychedelics in the presence of sober professionals. This is because a “bad trip” can not only be dangerous to the people around the user, but also very traumatic for the user. If the LSD was taken in a medical environment the user would absolutely not have be allowed to drive. The user would not have be given an additional dose while delusional. When trying to leave the user would most likely have been calmed by a specialist. If this failed the treatment would be conducted in a secure facility and have effective procedures for physically restraining the individual. There’s also a huge pharmaceutical difference between 4 doses of street acid and micro dosing pharmaceutical grade LSD.

mcbits 7y ago

That article says he took "two doses", which could mean just about anything but likely means at least 200-400ug, or at least 8 to 60 times the doses in the microdosing trial. The highest dose in the trial was where users just started to feel any drug effects at all. In alcohol terms, they're studying the effects/safety of a fraction of a beer whereas that guy chugged a case of beer.