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In my opinion that is a bad reason to downvote someone. He/She is entitled to their opinion. Their comment drove discussion, I enjoyed reading your response and

In my opinion that is a bad reason to downvote someone. He/She is entitled to their opinion. Their comment drove discussion, I enjoyed reading your response and I like your analogy of cash vs. card. The downvoting on HN breeds conformism, to me that is both unappealing and unoriginal. People should consider all perspectives and form their own opinions. Edited to remove reddit comparison.

chrismmay 7y ago
I agree with you. I think the down-voting that goes on here is basically group-speak censorship and creates an echo-chamber. Tyranny of the majority...
scarface74 7y ago
It’s being downvoted not because people love being tracked but it is technically not feasible to use much of the modern web without JS. That’s about as helpful as saying the best way to avoid being tracked is by not using the web.
- TravHatesMe 7y ago
  so if I say something that is technically infeasible, I should be downvoted? How about instead somebody informs me that what I stated is infeasible with some supporting facts? That will educate me and the rest of HN. So, since you say disabling JS is infeasible.. to what extent? What websites work with JS disabled, what might I miss out on? Is it possible to compromise, perhaps a browser can be configured to whitelist certain JS APIs? Perhaps we create a JS-lite standard? I don't know. Let's talk about it though. I like that kind of discussion. It is worth noting that I have always had JS enabled, but I would like to hear the opinions and perspectives of everyone.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    These days front end frameworks are the hotness where all of your rendering is done on the front end calling backend JSON APIs. If you don’t accept JS, nothing renders.
hoorayimhelping 7y ago
Please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
grzm 7y ago
The original comment by 'egdod referenced by 'superkuh was not constructive (likely the reason it was downvoted/flagged). 'superkuh could very well have been downvoted for commenting on downvotes contrary to the guidelines, rather than for anything about the other content (which otherwise looks fine). > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The guideline is there specifically to prevent threads like this, devolving into meta discussion rather than focussing on the submission. Post constructive comments, (silently) give compensatory upvotes to those you think are wrongly downvoted, and move along.
- TravHatesMe 7y ago
  Thanks for pointing that out, I will refrain from comments like these in the future. It just becomes frustrating to see this pattern of behavior and how pronounced it has become. I frequently disagree with comments but they often generate good discussion. This is how we all get smarter. Instead, the potential is deterred by downvotes.
  - Stratoscope 7y ago
    At the risk of continuing this meta discussion, I would have flagged that comment too, but not for any disagreement about whether JavaScript should be avoided. Many of us have family members fighting cancer, and there are cancer patients and survivors reading HN. I don't think a casual statement equating that terrible disease with a mere programming language is appropriate here or in any public forum. By way of contrast, I would have upvoted a comment like this: I avoid JavaScript whenever I can. I feel safer that way. I use FooBlock Organic to selectively whitelist JavaScript for sites that need it and that I trust. I recognize the irony of using a browser extension which is itself written in JavaScript, but it's open source and I've reviewed the source code carefully. I even contributed some patches to make it easier to use.
DavideNL 7y ago
I agree; It would be nice if at least, the only way to be able to downvote, would be to also post (require) a comment.
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chrismmay 7y ago

I agree with you. I think the down-voting that goes on here is basically group-speak censorship and creates an echo-chamber. Tyranny of the majority...

scarface74 7y ago

It’s being downvoted not because people love being tracked but it is technically not feasible to use much of the modern web without JS. That’s about as helpful as saying the best way to avoid being tracked is by not using the web.

TravHatesMe 7y ago
so if I say something that is technically infeasible, I should be downvoted? How about instead somebody informs me that what I stated is infeasible with some supporting facts? That will educate me and the rest of HN. So, since you say disabling JS is infeasible.. to what extent? What websites work with JS disabled, what might I miss out on? Is it possible to compromise, perhaps a browser can be configured to whitelist certain JS APIs? Perhaps we create a JS-lite standard? I don't know. Let's talk about it though. I like that kind of discussion. It is worth noting that I have always had JS enabled, but I would like to hear the opinions and perspectives of everyone.
- scarface74 7y ago
  These days front end frameworks are the hotness where all of your rendering is done on the front end calling backend JSON APIs. If you don’t accept JS, nothing renders.

hoorayimhelping 7y ago

Please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

grzm 7y ago

The original comment by 'egdod referenced by 'superkuh was not constructive (likely the reason it was downvoted/flagged). 'superkuh could very well have been downvoted for commenting on downvotes contrary to the guidelines, rather than for anything about the other content (which otherwise looks fine). > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The guideline is there specifically to prevent threads like this, devolving into meta discussion rather than focussing on the submission. Post constructive comments, (silently) give compensatory upvotes to those you think are wrongly downvoted, and move along.

TravHatesMe 7y ago
Thanks for pointing that out, I will refrain from comments like these in the future. It just becomes frustrating to see this pattern of behavior and how pronounced it has become. I frequently disagree with comments but they often generate good discussion. This is how we all get smarter. Instead, the potential is deterred by downvotes.
- Stratoscope 7y ago
  At the risk of continuing this meta discussion, I would have flagged that comment too, but not for any disagreement about whether JavaScript should be avoided. Many of us have family members fighting cancer, and there are cancer patients and survivors reading HN. I don't think a casual statement equating that terrible disease with a mere programming language is appropriate here or in any public forum. By way of contrast, I would have upvoted a comment like this: I avoid JavaScript whenever I can. I feel safer that way. I use FooBlock Organic to selectively whitelist JavaScript for sites that need it and that I trust. I recognize the irony of using a browser extension which is itself written in JavaScript, but it's open source and I've reviewed the source code carefully. I even contributed some patches to make it easier to use.

DavideNL 7y ago

I agree; It would be nice if at least, the only way to be able to downvote, would be to also post (require) a comment.

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