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> People are choosing a tent in the park in Oakland over working three part-time jobs and being micromanaged by an AI just to barely afford 1/7th of an apartmen

> People are choosing a tent in the park in Oakland over working three part-time jobs and being micromanaged by an AI just to barely afford 1/7th of an apartment. Sounds like you agree that high rents are at least somewhat to blame for homelessness.

baby 7y ago
That argument makes no sense to me, high rents are a symptom of not enough housing, which IS the problem
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  That sounds like it makes perfect sense. They're all interrelated.
i_am_nomad 7y ago
Proximally, they are. But all too many people point to that as the One True Cause of the homelessness surge, when it is not. The two factors I pointed out - illegal immigration and an increasingly brutal workplace - are topics that news outlets shy away from, for political and business reasons. It's infuriating. I would take all this a step farther, in fact: the recent surge in illegal immigration is, itself, a proximal cause; that phenomenon is being now driven by climate change. But again, you don't usually hear that mentioned when people and news outlets discuss illegal immigration.
- kevinventullo 7y ago
  the recent surge in illegal immigration is ... now driven by climate change I’m curious what you mean by that. According to the DHS [1], Mexico is far and away the most represented country of origin for people who have immigrated to the US illegally. Are you saying this is caused by climate change acutely affecting Mexico’s economy? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Countries_of_origin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_U...
  - michaelbrave 7y ago
    There was no recent surge, it peaked out in 2005 and has been declining. https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade/ https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthor...

baby 7y ago

That argument makes no sense to me, high rents are a symptom of not enough housing, which IS the problem

CydeWeys 7y ago
That sounds like it makes perfect sense. They're all interrelated.

i_am_nomad 7y ago

Proximally, they are. But all too many people point to that as the One True Cause of the homelessness surge, when it is not. The two factors I pointed out - illegal immigration and an increasingly brutal workplace - are topics that news outlets shy away from, for political and business reasons. It's infuriating. I would take all this a step farther, in fact: the recent surge in illegal immigration is, itself, a proximal cause; that phenomenon is being now driven by climate change. But again, you don't usually hear that mentioned when people and news outlets discuss illegal immigration.

kevinventullo 7y ago
the recent surge in illegal immigration is ... now driven by climate change I’m curious what you mean by that. According to the DHS [1], Mexico is far and away the most represented country of origin for people who have immigrated to the US illegally. Are you saying this is caused by climate change acutely affecting Mexico’s economy? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Countries_of_origin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_U...
- michaelbrave 7y ago
  There was no recent surge, it peaked out in 2005 and has been declining. https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade/ https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthor...