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The answer to this question is far too vast and complex for a hacker news comment. The real problem is that the people who hold the levers of power to create ch
by FussyZeus 7y ago
The answer to this question is far too vast and complex for a hacker news comment. The real problem is that the people who hold the levers of power to create change are far too invested in the status quo. They may have an ethical and humanitarian reason to respond to the scientific communities concerns and data, but they have literally every other single interest pointed in the exact opposite direction.
I think we're rapidly approaching the point where the youngest people are going to abandon "civil" methods of change. They're being faced with a world they won't be able to live in, and are derided, mocked, parodied, and of course denied any kind of power to exact the changes needed.
- tucaz 7y agoWhat kind of power is exactly being denied and to whom? Who says what changes are needed and when?
- throwlaplace 7y ago>What kind of power is exactly being denied and to whom? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/what-is-gerrymandering.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/what-is-gerrymandering... >Who says what changes are needed and when? this is a completely disingenuous question (both are really) since we all here are aware of climate change abatement recommendations
- tucaz 7y agoAlright! How do we fix it, then?
- forgetfulusr 7y agoPractice self sufficiency. Stop relying on companies to gather your food, distill your water, even bring the water to your tap. Expect it all to shut off. No fixing it now, get ready for when it hits the fan. We will adapt or die. Let's hope we can keep some of this knowledge around, oh and those of you with your nice bunkers, dont forget to pass it on to your kids. Lets try not to make the same mistakes next time eh? Good luck and have fun all.
- FussyZeus 7y agoIf you're sincerely asking these questions, I suggest you read up on climate change at large. This an incredibly large and dense topic and simply asking "how do we fix the planet" as though it's some busted code isn't productive for anyone involved.
- tucaz 7y agoIt is an honest question. I have read a bunch about the subject and I can’t find any answer that tells individuals what they can personally do without forcing anything into others. Do you have suggestions?
- throwlaplace 7y ago> without forcing anything into others. you're sealioning[1] and this little tidbit proves it [1] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions#Sealioning https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions#Sealioni...
- stouset 7y agoYour question is fundamentally in bad faith, and it’s like asking, “What can individuals do to stay safe on roads without forcing others to abide by driving laws?” Individuals can’t, by and large, make the minds of changes necessary to avert the oncoming climate disaster. A big part of the issue is that individual incentives are misaligned, which is exactly where government is supposed to step in: realign incentives such that the individually optimal choice is compatible with averting global catastrophe. Expecting billions of individuals to act against their own individual self-interest is lunacy.
- tucaz 7y agoIt’s not in bad faith. I take as a premise, my only premise in life, that what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is yours. Anything that violates this premise is, according to my own opinion and set of values, wrong. By that value, I’m ok with life as we know it ending if that means that individuals liberties will be kept. On the other hand, it seems like you don’t mind if a few million people die when we force third world countries to reduce their carbon emission by asking them to shut down coal plants and other processes generating carbon.
- michaelmrose 7y agoLibertarianism is a philosophy only the wealthy and safe can afford because it is so ill suited for the survival of a nation due to the extreme stupidity of individual members of the human race. Please explicate how you believe millions of people will die by virtue of shutting down foreign coal plants?
- tsimionescu 7y agoThe UN council on climate change and all of the world's climate researchers could be a signal worth paying someind to. By their account, we need to change the basis of our economy, and we should have started 10 or 20 years ago, so today would be the latest that can save some areas. The power to enact this change is denied to everyone who will suffer from it.
- rankad 7y agoPower isn't denied, authority is. They are denied authority on public media platforms.
- xwdv 7y agoWhat is the “uncivil” way of stopping climate change? Might as well go to the beach and punch waves as they roll in, it would be the same result.
- FussyZeus 7y agoCivil unrest. Protests that devolve into riots. Ever seen the painting "Bastille Day"? There are always options when the powerful fail the powerless. Large amounts of modern society were put in place to prevent this sort of thing from happening, but if the leadership is intent on making those protections ineffective, well, there's always guillotines again.
- xwdv 7y agoWhat use is a guillotine against a hydra?
- FussyZeus 7y agoI believe Hercules solved this one by cutting all the heads off at the same time. So, in theory, you just need one guillotine per head.
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y agoHe cut the heads off and his nephew, Iolaos, cauterised the wounds so they wouldn't grow back. So you'd also need fire. Because "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire".
- kazagistar 7y agoFor those who consider this uncouth or believe there must be another way: even if the answer is to come through reforms, having a tangible threat of revolution on the table helps bring meaningful concessions from those who have thus far preferred symbolic gestures to placate.