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There still is no crisis and nothing scientifically demonstrated with regards to the climate we cant handle.

ncmncm 7y ago
Uncertainty does not favor inaction. Claiming otherwise is fundamentally dishonest. "The instruments say our jet engines are overheating. Let's wait to be certain, instead of heading for the nearest airport. Who knows, it might be nothing!" Said nobody ever.
- ThomPete 7y ago
  Jet engines overheating is something that can be proven scientifically, catastrophic climate change is not so acting as if it's been proven is what is dishonest.
  - polotics 7y ago
    Catastrophic climate change is proven. Looks at what's happening in Australia right now. It is catastrophic. And the burden of proof that it would not be caused by climate change is on you. Just read the damn science from 1824 until today.
    - ThomPete 7y ago
      Please point to scientifically demonstrated evidence of catastrophic climate change not just speculation.
      - polotics 7y ago
        Check out jancovici.com, realclimate, just open your eyes. Identity may be what's not negotiable, but your reckoning will come, no matter how lucky you've been so far.
    - roenxi 7y ago
      I'm waiting for the bushfire season to end before trying to form any serious arguments; the worst fires are usually in February. That elephant-in-the-room aside, this season is arguably less catastrophic than bushfires from the late 19th and early 20th century [0]. To date there are less deaths, less houses destroyed and the economic damage is uncertain. Even the area burned is not unprecedented; yet (Victoria in 1851 holds the record). This might be weather rather than climate - bushfires in Australia are not exactly a jaw dropping development and a once-in-a-generation fire happens about once every generation. It would be wise to wait for the benefit of hindsight and not try to guess while a crisis is still unfolding. That is just a fast way to form bad conclusions. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia
      - ncmncm 7y ago
        There will always be excuses to "wait and see" just as there always have been, going back to the 19th century. After the instant crisis, it will be even easier to make the excuse. It is just more of the same denialism, and just as dishonest as any.

Uncertainty does not favor inaction. Claiming otherwise is fundamentally dishonest. "The instruments say our jet engines are overheating. Let's wait to be certain, instead of heading for the nearest airport. Who knows, it might be nothing!" Said nobody ever.

ThomPete 7y ago
Jet engines overheating is something that can be proven scientifically, catastrophic climate change is not so acting as if it's been proven is what is dishonest.
- polotics 7y ago
  Catastrophic climate change is proven. Looks at what's happening in Australia right now. It is catastrophic. And the burden of proof that it would not be caused by climate change is on you. Just read the damn science from 1824 until today.
  - ThomPete 7y ago
    Please point to scientifically demonstrated evidence of catastrophic climate change not just speculation.
    - polotics 7y ago
      Check out jancovici.com, realclimate, just open your eyes. Identity may be what's not negotiable, but your reckoning will come, no matter how lucky you've been so far.
  - roenxi 7y ago
    I'm waiting for the bushfire season to end before trying to form any serious arguments; the worst fires are usually in February. That elephant-in-the-room aside, this season is arguably less catastrophic than bushfires from the late 19th and early 20th century [0]. To date there are less deaths, less houses destroyed and the economic damage is uncertain. Even the area burned is not unprecedented; yet (Victoria in 1851 holds the record). This might be weather rather than climate - bushfires in Australia are not exactly a jaw dropping development and a once-in-a-generation fire happens about once every generation. It would be wise to wait for the benefit of hindsight and not try to guess while a crisis is still unfolding. That is just a fast way to form bad conclusions. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia
    - ncmncm 7y ago
      There will always be excuses to "wait and see" just as there always have been, going back to the 19th century. After the instant crisis, it will be even easier to make the excuse. It is just more of the same denialism, and just as dishonest as any.